The Sumo Thread

It looked like he got disqualified for it but the clip I mentioned he fakes this and catches a guy with a brutal forearm and looked like he damn near killed him

also. reading your japanese discussions reminds me of my childhood best friend. what started out as a kid’s interest in manga turned into him taking japanese from the age of 13 and eventually going to school in japan for economics - he works in japanese companies and is fully fluent, but still complains of fucking things up all the time. In one funny instance, he told me he addressed some executive in his company with some honorific but used a slightly incorrect one, and someone later told him it was basically like saying “fuck you” to the guy.

it seems like a really tough language to learn

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So here’s the quick and dirty on Hakuho.

Remember that the sport of sumo goes back centuries and is rooted in the Shinto tradition.

As part of this tradition, those who attain the rank of Yokozuna are expected to maintain an impeccable level of dignity in their behavior, both in and out of the ring.

The previous great Mongolian Yokozuna Asashoryu was also a fierce wrestler, but he ultimately got expelled from the sport due to “behavior unbecoming a Yokozuna” outside the ring.

Just as Asashoryu was exiting the scene, Hakuho rose to the rank of Yokozuna. At first, he was viewed in Japan as the opposite of Asashoryu. Impeccable behavior and ethical fighting style. And he was popular.

However, as the years went by, he became so dominant that it had now become nearly 10 years since a Japanese-born rikishi even won a Grand Tourney, much less ascend to the rank of Yokozuna. Japanese fans began to get antsy.

The great hope to take down Hakuho was Ozeki Kisenosato, who would come close to winning a basho but never quite get over the hump. Eventually, Hakuho came to be viewed as a kind of heel, time and time again thwarting Kisenosato and the other Japanese rikishi.

What were formally cheers turned to jeers, and Hakuho was devastated at the reception, as he had thought he was was loved by Japanese sumo fans. Basically, he became a victim of his own dominance.

So he decided F it, if I’m going to be booed and viewed as the heel, I’ll give them what they want. He began to employ the dirty “nekodamashi” (frighten the cat) and Kachiage (elbow cold cock) moves which, while technically not illegal, were long considered beneath the dignity of a Yokozuna.

But by this time Hakuho didn’t care. For the remainder of his career he just did whatever the hell it took to win, win, and win some more, until he shattered the all time wins record and became the unquestioned GOAT.

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Having lived in Asia as long as I have, even I can more or less distinguish among the different Asian ethnicities, or at least tell who isn’t Japanese.

So I’d say that most Japanese would know at a glance that he’s not ethnically Japanese

This last basho, Takakeisho matched up against Kotonowaka and unleashed haymaker after haymaker. Open-handed slaps, but they were brutal.

I don’t know if Kotonowaka tried to sleep with his wife or what, but when those two meet, Takakeisho turns vicious.

:face_with_monocle:

Actually, that’s a bit of an error. The correct translation is “trick the cat.”

Yikes, very concerned for his health if he continues wrestling.

https://twitter.com/takarada_sumo/status/1583742254153629697?s=20&t=9nmwpL47c_TTVM9mirf0Fg

Yeah it was known since he went kyujo last basho that surgery was imminent. Teru has said himself that his Yokozuna reign will be a short one because his knees are only going to hold up for so long. As a Yokozuna he’ll get plenty of leeway in making his comeback, but it could be curtains on his career.

What is more interesting is what will happen once he retires. None of the current crop of Ozeki are Yokozuna material, but eventually someone will rise up and fill the void. Probably Hoshoryu.

Hoshoryu is a bold prediction! I like it!

Still developing, but in terms of future Ozeki/Yokozuna material among the current top rikishi, we’re looking at Hoshoryu, Wakatakakage, Kiribayama, and maybe Kotonowaka as the most likely candidates.

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It’s just been reported in the Japanese news that Ichinojo recently beat the crap out of his stable master’s wife.

His sumo career is toast.

Why?

Drunken rage.

holy shit

Here’s the Japanese news article if you want to run it through Deepl to get the gist of the story.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/2389dfd93998554f629242373d24bf87cb3102a4

More info coming in about Ichinojo. Drinking problems are real. Violent contact with stable master’s wife said to be incidental when she went to drag him from a bar and he shook her off. Still not a good look. Relationship with stable master appears damaged beyond repair and an investigation is ongoing regarding all of this.

For now, he’s still in sumo and still in the Kyushu basho.

Soooooo I’m guessing the resale value of my Ichinojo tegata has been diminished somewhat.

Or increased exponentially.