Oh well that anecdote from a Twitter random certainly trumps the scientific research I just posted. Another point scored.
I may have missed it because I skimmed a few posts but I donāt think anyone is arguing that a mileage tax is bad or worse than gas taxes, just that they disproportionately tax the poor. From your link the highway budget shortfall is projected at $75 billion, which we could solve 2/3s of by accurately taxing the top 0.5% of earners. The top 1% are expected to underpay their taxes by $500 billion a year, so it seems obvious we should go after this low hanging fruit before we crunch the numbers on extracting more money from the bottom 50%.
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Also, Iām grunching obv, but Clovis doesnāt use a car and gets around town like this,
so understand that he has a unique perspective and probably much to offer the discussion.
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Has anyone suggested doubling the tax on premium gas and also taxing every bullet sold $100?
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And we have the āheās too rich to have an opinionā point. With the Canadian point we have hit the bonus round. Internet points for all.
As has been stated many times recently, this is not possible in much of the country.
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I literally said you travel around on a platform carried by slaves. Iām assuming that was absurd enough for you to know Iām joking.
Iām about to scroll up and read this, so apologies if itās already heated and past the āsense of humorā stage.
Itās heated, but Clovis isnāt a villain here. Heās just wrong about this.
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I donāt know how many ways to say this. Iām for taxing the rich. Way way more. Like AOC 70% levels.
I still donāt see what that has to do with a transportation tax.
Unless your point is a wealth tax is the only tax that should exist, today we are talking about a different kind of tax. If we want to have a wealth tax debate letās do it. Iām in. But that is not this debate.
Itās like saying, Iām not saying a mileage tax is bad but what about m4a!
The solution is obvious. Fight a war big enough to require rationing of gasoline and long enough for habits to form.
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This will just fuck over poor people. Weāve already discussed this. Youāre not keeping up with the thread.
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Iām totally open to the idea Iām wrong but I havnt been convinced. Your point about not thinking driving should be a sin tax is a fair one but Iām genuinely curious how you square it with the exact same claim being made by emerging nations who donāt want to commit to climate standards due to income inequality between nations?
If we are going to drive down climate change I donāt see how this isnāt going to impact the poor to some degree. We need to do things like I suggested and compensate them for these impacts.
Iād be curious to see research in this but Iād hypothesize that taxing travel might disincentivize it at the time of decision to get in the car or pump gas but then a monthly cheque could still counter the regressive nature of tax. Wouldnāt this be win win?
Killer Mike is the best. I wish he had done this earlier but IIRC most of the voting is done and there is only 2 days left, but Iām still glad he did it.
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@clovis8 Why are you against taxing billionaires? Do you have any idea how much money that is?
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Iāve been trying really hard to put my finger on the problem, and I think Iām close:
All of us good guys still have accidentally and subconsciously internalized the xenophobic and racist notions of what happens south of the border. So, we end up thinking itās fine to let children wander through the Arizonan desert, as in, āWell, they made it this far!ā Like, this far through what? What lawless hellscape are we imagining these kids have journeyed through? Are we saying these āunaccompaniedā minors havenāt had responsible adults helping them the entire way, because every down there is a rapist and murderer and generally not the best people?
I hate poor people LDO.
On the media this week has a great discussion of this.
Also, on a side note, this weeks planet money is a great discussion of socialism and provides some cool examples of it in the real world.
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I donāt have all the answers. Your carbon graph idea is an intriguing one and a tax on that is something that maybe I could support if it were possible. Neither a mileage tax nor a gas tax is anywhere close to that ratio though.
And your paper said something about highway funding deficits. My first response that highway funding deficits should not exist. The country has the wealth to fill that gap and then some.
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yeah itās physically impossible to have, like, bus service in Oklahoma. Duh
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Horrendous comparison.
One is a luxury. The other is not.
Many of these are not possible. Weāve been over this.
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