I remember the first time I got together with an online group, a bunch said yeah we’ll be there and only a dozen actually showed up. Same thing might’ve happened, except just the people who could afford to take a wed afternoon and pay 8k to his hotel showed up.
The problem now is we’ve all just seen you don’t need that much to take a capitol building so now every state one has to be on alert too
To what extent does Trump being kicked off all social media and even having Parler taken away from them exacerbate this?
How is that 30 million? Trump got 75 million votes. 9% is 6,750,000. And out of that, maybe 1% actually show up.
their twitter mainline has been cut off. economic anxiety is about to hit his supporters with so many of them costing themselves jobs and thousands in lawyer fees.
Nice to know we have the Head of the Capitol Police posting here.
To change the subject slightly, what happens to all the people we have seen radicalized over the last 5 years? It’s probably a decent chunk of people for all of us. Part of why I think this doesn’t end is some percentage of these people will keep going down that rabbit hole until they are McVeigh 2.0. For me personally I am not that worried about the government being overthrown so much as just a slow burn of terrorism from these people.
I don’t think anyone here thinks Trump being in office on Jan 21st is especially likely or that the US Gov’t is likely to fall in the next couple years. Don’t get a big(ger) head just because you keep predicting the obvious favorite to win.
This is one reason why I think the US is different to other countries that experienced civil war.
Guerilla wars require a large population of (not exclusively) young men with nothing to lose, more to gain.
The really long running guerilla wars are often driven by the economic incentives of banditry/extortion over rural populations.
Are Tase McBallsOff and his buddies willing to give up their car dealerships and mid level IT jobs to fight a war for years?
The much bigger threat is much more Hitler like. I.e. take over of the state by fascists, with the tacit approval of a big section of the traditional elite.
That threat is now a little less likely because Trump skipped the first few steps of “first they came for the communists, etc” and went straight for the elites.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a suicide bomber or 20 of them. These fools are now entering martyr phase. Many are old, poor and fixin to croke via diabetes anyway. It’s legacy time baby.
Off my fb feed earlier wtf does this mean?
Yea, people with private planes and married to doctors showed up. Not someone from Idaho making $15K a year.
Sometimes people talk shit. I’ve been saying for 20 years I want to run a marathon. The last time I ran was in 1994 when I was a senior in HS.
They have a lot of guns to pawn before they starve.
some will float out of the mob, others will sink further in.
No idea what that means but OK.
A lot of these people were there for the ride. I think that had things gotten more violent, there would have been a lot of people who would be very willing to go along with it. I think that ultimately the police successfully kept elected officials out of the hands of these people.
There’s also the question of what cues they’re taking from Trump. While he was certainly quite contentious [in his video], it didn’t quite rise to the level of, “Now is the time to act.” He could have said something that was absolutely unequivocally understood by these people to be an order to attack. Instead, he told them to go home. It confused the hell out of them. On the one hand, there’s a nudge and a wink, but they didn’t understand. They thought, “Aren’t we here to do a job? Did we do the job? Did we win?” It was a lot of confusion about what that was all about.
I’m also almost surprised to hear that they sort of were mapping out these pretty specific plans or fantasies, because it does seem that when a lot of them got into the Capitol Building, they didn’t really know what to do. They went up on the dais, someone stole a podium, they trashed some offices. But it didn’t appear that there was a coherent plan that had been worked out for weeks.
That’s right. When all these people were talking about their contingencies, it was always if and when Trump tells us to . The overriding message I was seeing was, “We’re here to do a job, we don’t know what that job is yet. When Trump said we’re going to go to the Capitol, I guess our job is to go to the Capitol.” But then they didn’t get any further instructions, so there was a moment of, “Okay, now what? Surely this isn’t why Trump called us to DC, we don’t get it. This was where he was supposed to unveil the evidence, or arrest the plotters, or reveal that China is behind it.” And then none of this happened.
God his supporters are so fucking dumb.
“Big tech” cuts the shit/continues to cut the shit and deplatforms the RWNJs permanently. Deplatforming works - people stop buying into things when the echo chamber is deleted, this has been studied many times and is very evident on sites like reddit when they banned niche nutjob subs like “fatpeoplehate”. If “conservative social media” is non existant, which it very easily could be, a lot of these problems solve themselves. While stuff like Rush definitely “radicalized” people, people could only listen, not participate, not spread lies (non Rush lies…), etc. Social media is the problem and if google/apple/amazon don’t want it, finally, its not going to be there.
Beyond that, you have to hope that the 6th has opened some eyes. About half of republican voters think what happened then was bad. While that’s shockingly high, its also shockingly un-uniform for a group of people who 95% approved of Trump even like a week ago. If that holds the GOP will easily lose relevance on a national election scale, when a small tent party can’t get everyone together they don’t win.
I think right wing terrorism is going to be a thing for a while. Personally, I was afraid to put my Biden sign in my yard or a bumper sticker on my car. I don’t need to invite vandalism, and down here in Florida, there are many Florida man types. I’m careful now about who I talk politics with.
But hasn’t it always been that way in the US? Social Media just brings it up to the forefront. When was the last time a politician was assassinated? In the 60’s you had JFK, RFK, MLKJr., etc.
Why wasn’t there a suicide bomber on the 6th?
I don’t think it matters how good you have when you have been brainwashed to think you have nothing to lose.
oh yeah gun dealers are going to continue to be rolling in it, fleecing everyone who owns and stockpiles guns.
i’m not even sure when the ammo is going to be easier to get. supplies are completely depleted. some of these assholes are spending 25-30% of their income on all the gun shit sometimes.
