The NFL Thread 2: 1. T Swift

Can’t believe the guy who caved a woman’s face in with a right hook behaved that way.

what’s up with the can apostrophe?

they’re assuming he meant can’t for some reason?

He made it awhile at least

:leolol:

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Depends on whether you have a surplus of assets.

Denver…does not. Their roster is bottom 1/3 and their draft capital is bottom3.

There is an argument that Belichick is merely a very good coach without Brady. Not sure I agree, but even then it’s hard to say.

Good gamble. He had that heart (I think) issue, but was easily 3rd round value at worst based on everything else.

I’ve heard the word “can’t” pronounced “can’” in some dialects. It’s a more exaggerated “n” sound.

Personally I think that’s likely with what we’ve seen play out since. Seems he benefitted the same way Pop did with a similar personality in Duncan.

It’s tough to know where to divide Payton from Brees. Don’t think it was ever that debatable with Rodgers and MM.

Yawn. Call me when he places a legal wager on an athletic contest.

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mailing it in lol

Yep.

There’s no denying Belichick has come out with winning game plans in huge games over the years against some of the best offenses of the last 20 years.

I think it’s more likely Belichick is actually a great defensive mind but a shitty GM and middling offensive mind and Brady / Scarnecchia were able to make league leading offenses out of units with little talent.

Also the whole Patriot way thing isn’t motivating for players if the reward for the oppressive workplace is being a part of a fringe playoff squad rather than a Superbowl champion.

In a way you gotta feel for the guy. He comes in on fire and is told to back off. As any good passive aggressive midwesterner he backed off, way off.

Wtf so they want?

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I think Belichick was at least an above-average GM, due primarily to his willingness to think long term and take advantage of the desperation of teams in win-now mode. Even if he wasn’t the best drafter, he did a great job constantly adding draft capital by trading down and trading a current pick for a higher pick next year. He also did a good job not getting attached to players and overpaying to keep them/trading them away for a nice return.

My favorite Belichick example is the Cooks trades. It was a rare example of him giving up a high pick for a player, but he choose a player that still had a year left on rookie deal. Most teams in this spot would have immediately signed him to a big extension since they traded a first, but instead Belichick used his last cheap year, and then traded him for an even better first the next offseason (to the Rams who then did give him the huge contract).

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If you think they’re bottom third in talent, then that first isn’t going to move the needle for Denver. They’re in a hopeless spot whatever they do.

I don’t think they’re bottom third in talent. I also don’t think one good draft pick at non-QB is going to improve them much.

The only “needle mover” in Denver is somehow making Russell Wilson good again. I’m not saying Payton will do it, I have no idea, but I think he could.

This is exactly right. Honestly just understanding “more draft picks = good” makes someone a top 10 GM.

The other thing that GM Belichick understood is that there was no championship window. He knew that as long as they had Brady, they had a chance at a Super Bowl, so there was no need to just go for it in one year. Kansas City is doing the same, and I think it’s going to pay off for them bigly.

My three GM Belichick complaints:

  1. Some of the receiver talent they put around Brady was embarrassing.
  2. Weirdly, it took him a long time to understand that having an edge that is just a good pass rusher was valuable. They always loaded up on guys who could stop the run on the edge, but weren’t very good pass rushers. If a guy couldn’t set the edge, Belichick wasn’t interested. It didn’t make any sense - he understood that nickel was where they lived, he understood starting 5 DBs was the future.
  3. Similar to 2, he was devoted too long to thumping MLBs that can’t cover.

But, overall, he was a very good GM. Everybody’s got their blind spots.

As a coach: well under .500 in 10+ seasons of games without Brady. 1 playoff win.

I think this criticism is overrated. They had Gronk, basically an unstoppable force, for a long time, and he was usually paired with a very good receiver like Edelman. Other than Moss, they never had that prototypical #1 WR, but the offense was designed in a way to take advantage of the strengths of the Edelman types, so they could still score like crazy. Every time I watched the Pats, they’d have guys getting wide the fuck open on short passes and then run for 15 yards.

Summary: they had a receiver (yes, TE, but his job was to catch balls) who nobody could cover, plus always another guy who was very good and others who were good enough, and an offensive system that used them all perfectly.

And the defense was almost always really good.

During the first three supper bowl runs they had like Branch (lol) as the best guy or something like that.

Troy Brown was a heck of a football player though. Basically won them multiple playoff games either on special teams plays or stripping the ball against the chargers after the int.

Right, but it never mattered because the offense was designed for it not to matter. In the meantime, a team like the Packers can’t do anything offensively for years unless they have an elite WR, even with a top-whatever quarterback of all-time.