The Great Pronoun Debate

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I made absolutely no such claim, what “right” am I supposedly against recognizing? The only things I specifically said in the thread were against the idea of forcing pronouns into email sigs which as far as I can tell you are also against.

It’s different because if the level of poverty is low enough, then the single best thing you could
probably do is just address economic growth directly.

On the other hand, in a more affluent country, the single best thing you could probably do is address the marginalization of LGBTQ people directly.

Of course there is no reason you can’t do both in Burundi (or anywhere else for that matter), so this discussion is somewhat silly.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Yes, I missed her previous post in the thread and asked her the same question. She is free to answer the question again, or link me to her previous post, or simply ignore me if she wants. You think you’ve somehow accomplished something by jumping in and being an asshole for no reason?

So thats a no on educating yourself then… cool cool cool cool cool.

That’s basically the choice all transgender people have to make. You can live in the closet and survive but at some point you CANT so you basically have to choose between one and two. I chose two and I’m way happier. But NO ONE hires trans people. Like I live this reality. I had a decent job that didn’t accept me so I had to leave basically once I came out I had no choice I was treated horribly and aggressively but if you’re trans you can’t deal if you’re not gendered right. Especially when it’s someone OBVIOUSLY being cruel and using it as a weapon. it breaks your brain. It’s hard and basically it seems impossible to explain to people that don’t live it but it super sucks. Like I NEED to be called she and her and if I’m not like it’s like the walls of my world fall down. It never happens anymore though because I pass now and just blend in with society like no one can tell I’m trans unless I tell them. But Trans people pick option two basically 100% of the time.

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I know a trans person who delayed transitioning for years because they were worried about losing their job (among other things). So at least for a while, she did not pick number two. She ultimately moved to the West coast and got a job where she felt safe proceeding. So, she did that and kept her job (although I suppose it is possible that transitioning may have affected her career advancement, but I have no obvious reason to suspect that).

I think that’s probably the reason too bisexual people seem to take a lot of flak from the LGBT community

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Uhhh, ok. Maybe I shouldn’t post right before I go to sleep because all this is exactly what I was saying.


That’s part of what Hokie alluded to with ‘the moral high ground’. Doing the bare minimum whilst actively fighting against material solutions that might impact your wealth isn’t the moral high ground!

Like, physical and mental healthcare is really, really, really important for trans people. The poor kid transitioning needs that sweet ass m4a, not for a neertandist to get performatively mad if some deplorable calls them a ladyboy. (whynotboth dot gif obv but my daddy didn’t raise no starry eyed optimist)

Here’s one thing I’m not understanding. According to @dykedaisy, bolded pretty much never happens because “basically 100%” of the time the individual will choose coming out of the closet and getting fired.

I did mention one person I know who violated that rule, but my sense was that there really were a fair number of trans people who stayed in the closet for long periods of time for fear of losing their jobs or other adverse career repercussions. Is it really that rare in your experience too?

Are you kidding me right now? Nvm, I’ll take the L, making that post right after posting the drone strike cartoon was probably confusing.

I was almost banned on 22 for going HAM when Leelah Alcorn committed suicide, I was getting biblical on fools,

that was a mere half a decade ago and it was just me and Rugby fighting the good fight.

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That drone cartoon is a masterwork of straight white dudes telling on themselves.

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Indeed. Also, try being the “A” in the LGBTQIA acronym. At least folks believe that trans people and bisexuality actually exist.

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My views make more sense if you factor in that I’m a somewhat extreme pessimistic misanthrope. Not the teen angst variety, but as an actual political outlook.

It’s like this: You know how they say one can’t be racist to white people? This is obviously true, but as phrased it’s needlessly confusing, especially considering that it refers to institutional racism, and the guy who made that term popular, Stokely Carmichael of the Black Panthers, used it to differentiate between it and individual racism, of which him and Eldridge Cleaver referred to themselves as reformed racists. Yeah, semantics are a mf. So, the point that people don’t realize or don’t want to admit is that “one can’t be racist to white people” is the endgame, in that we will never, ever get to the point that people will stop being stupid and cruel towards those they find strange and abnormal, stop trying to otherize somebody, anybody. We just make it so it doesn’t matter. Forgive me for quoting the still cancelled Louis CK but he had some good bits about white privilege: “I’m a straight, white man, you can’t even hurt my feelings” That’s the endgame and yes it’s depressing as shit, and says a lot about the human condition, but it’s where I’m at.

Telling on themselves about what Trolly?

Please don’t pull a Trolly on me tia.

But if you have allies at work you might not get fired like if you work for a cool place And you have allies at work there’s a good chance you might be able to keep your job and transition at work like it’s a super long process to transition it doesn’t really happen an overnight. you think about it for a long long time basically your entire life you try to hide it and survive like but at some point you need to transition. Like it’s just torture how you question yourself and the worries about how people will react etc. like there’s just 1 million things to worry about . But if you have supportive people at work you might not get fired and you’ll be able to transition peacefully at work and keep your job. Like that’s what I hoped would happen at my last job but it did not. Like it takes a couple years to get hormones once you start the process you first have to go to a therapist and then a doctor and your gate kept every step of the way so like it’s super Duper hard and it takes forever. It’s like one step at a time per day. Like the whole process is just absolutely terrifying every single step

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This is heartbreaking to read; thank you for posting this.

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Your welcome

I just want to try to spread awareness thank you for reading and understanding :)

I must have misunderstood your posts. My bad.

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I agree that sounds terrible and I get it. Or at least I get it to the extent it is possible for someone that isn’t in your position to get it, which admittedly is something less than fully getting it. The point I was trying to make doesn’t really dispute any of this. Sorry if that was not clear.