The Great Pronoun Debate

It’s a bummer as it’s the first one I’ve heard of going exclusive so you won’t even be able to still get it on your standard podcast app.

It’s good enough to make the extra step worth it but I am worried it’s a harbinger of the coming Balkanization of podcasts.

At least in English every fucking damn noun doesn’t have a gender.

Lol all rocks are dudes. I’m not a fan of using the “holy shit they must’ve been smoking the good shit when they came up with that” but holy shit they must’ve been smoking the good shit when they came up with that.

You know there’s a galaxy brain take out there that says degendering other languages is culturally insensitive and English-centric. I haven’t seen it yet but you know it’s out there.

because of course it is sure why not

English used to have gendered nouns as well.

https://www.k-international.com/blog/why-do-languages-have-gender/

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Czech is also a gendered language.

However, Czech people have not become woke enough to deal with this. Hell, gay marriage is still illegal despite overwhelming support of it over the last 15 years

We’ll get there someday

Lol.

“Stubbornly” means making like 8 posts on the topic and not immediately changing my mind when confronted with the ire of @Rugby on the internet.

Your posting is not even internally consistent; you claim that putting pronouns in email sigs helps people… and then you tell me that I shouldn’t do it.

You insult me for using my own reasoning to think about the issue when instead I should be presumably listening to you… but if I am not going to use my own brain to evaluate the issue then why would I not just switch my viewpoint again if and when I am presented with the opposite viewpoint?

You tell me to listen to the views of trans people on the topic… and then call me a deplorable for asking a trans person who is voluntarily participating in the thread to expand on her viewpoint.

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Yeah uh I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that one’s socioeconomic material conditions is way more core than their gender. My pronouns are not starving in a gutter.

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6ix you are not doing well itt.

It’s soooooooo tedious having to do this same fucking argument over and over, even with people who claim to be progressive.

All these arguments are THE EXACT same as the ones we had to have over women’s rights, then racial rights, then gay and lesbian rights and now we get to do it all over again with trans rights.

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You have this annoying tendency of making every discussion a battle between good and evil. The world isn’t as black and white as you think. I wish it were! But instead it’s possible for more than one thing to matter so a lot of times we have to choose between evil, mostly evil, somewhat evil, and maybe kind of good but probably in the end also evil. The world is a complicated place full of great suffering.

Was he mocking it? Not clear to me.

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There is a right an wrong here. It is black and white.

Define “here”. What thesis do you think you are responding to?

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Whatever theoretical one you thought you were responding to when reply to my post.

You came into a thread with several overlapping conversations and proclaimed with unswerving certitude that you are bored with having the same conversation over and over. So what is the conversation that you’re bored with? Don’t turn this around on me and make me make up your position for you.

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That recognizing the rights of minorities should be carefully weighed, endlessly, against the “harm” caused to white cis men.

All of these debates are some version of that premise. They have been for hundreds of years.

It’s simply a tactic to deny rights to others. The script plays out the exact same way every time.

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If that’s your concern, then please try to be more specific next time. As far as I can tell, only QuantGamble has made that claim and he was temp banned for it.

There are several other conversations also ongoing, including:

–The harm to trans+non-binary folks that results from compelled pronoun announcements (see goreo’s link: The Case Against Mandatory Preferred Gender Pronouns | Opinion | The Harvard Crimson )
–The unjust benefit to cis white men and the harm to everyone except cis white men when a gender neutral or gender ambiguous interaction becomes explicitly gendered (the email signature discussion). See also: the social science research on why teachers should grade anonymously. There is also a benefit of making trans+non-binary people feel more welcome in the workplace, so we have a conflict of rights that can’t be neatly squashed into good vs. evil.
–the debate about appeal to authority and epistemic access to relevant harms when discussing who should be included when trying to dissolve moral dilemmas that affect minorities.

You take all of this and squash it into “the same boring debate over and over”. It’s demeaning. And false.

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And I’m going to go out on a limb and say that if you had to spend large portions of your life wondering if your boss would fire you for announcing your intent to transition, or if you’re going to get yelled at by someone for using the “wrong” restroom, or having to travel long distances to receive medical care because the facilities closest to you don’t know how to provide a safe environment for trans folks, gender identity might rise in salience.

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