The Future of the Republican Party

I’m interested in discussing whether you guys think the GOP can thread the needle and somehow go into 2024 without Trump on the ballot while turning out his base.

McConnell obviously hates him. The WSJ has turned against him, as have (shockingly) the commenters. It seems he’s lost a lot of support among educated right wingers.

It seems likely they will gain a ton of seats in the midterms and conventional wisdom will then be that Trump is toxic and they’ll win with anyone else, especially after 2.5 more years of zero Biden achievements.

I guess my question is, how do they do it? They tried and failed last time. Merrick Garland isn’t going to do it for them.

How do you all see this playing out?

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Their best chance is to convince him that he wants to be kingmaker instead of king. Or convince him that the kingmaker IS the real king. Make all the potential candidates come to Mar a Lago and kiss his ring in as public of a fashion as he wants, he can still tweet out his takes all day and get tons of publicity for it, the difference is he gets to golf and crash Mar a Lago weddings in between instead of having to actually work…

And if the king he picks is disloyal, well that’s fine, he can just trash them on Twitter, end their reign, and enjoy another round of all the wannabes kissing his ring.

Plus he gets to keep all the campaign cash he already raised, and they’ll coach him on how to get it to himself.

Whether he goes for it? Who knows?

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I don’t see that happening. He’s obviously running. The question is how they stop him from winning.

He will win the nomination and the general will be a coinflip featuring the greatest election shenanigans in our lifetimes

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In for tragic death v2! :heart:

No one will stop him lol. It will 2016 dem primary all over again, there’ll be TFG and 3-4 people you may have heard of or not, mcmuffin types. There’ll be 1-2 debates. Everyone else who wants to be president will wait 4 years.

Well, the upside to the war in Ukraine is there’s a decent chance Trump 2024 doesn’t happen.

Guess the downside is we don’t make it to 2024.

Why would the war stop him from running?

The entire GOP is super pro Russia. Fox has become an arm of the Russian propaganda machine.

I meant we would all be dead.

Oh that. :grimacing::grin:

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I maintain that Desantis is the future and will be the nominee in 2024.

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Both parties are so insanely impotent and corrupt that all the other party has to do is run off the previous party’s ineptness. Trump lost because of Trump. Biden will lose because of Biden. Out of 220 or so million eligible adults in the US we manage to nominate two from the bottom of the heap every time

I don’t think it will be 2016 all over again. Those with the courage to run against him have so much more ammo now (and is why the J6 public hearings will be so important imo). Trump isn’t the novelty he was in 2016 and truly all he has left is his dwindling base of diehard sycophants.

DeSantis destroys Trump in a primary

They don’t. They suck it up and deal.

I agree with most of this post, but LO-fucking-L at the bolded.

If any Republican challenger sticks to the platform of:

  • Secure the border
  • Be tough on trade
  • US to stop disproportionate funding as the word’s police
  • And basically America first

They win easily. Conservatives couldn’t care less about social issues even if they acknowledge extreme unfairness

You don’t think public hearings will help? I think we grossly miscalculate how informed the average American is. All they know is Dems accuse Trump of this or that blah, blah, blah. They have no idea the extent of how truly evil and unlawful the guy is. Nationally televised public hearings can’t hurt to get that word out imo

The problem is Trump is guaranteed to go hard with the personal attacks and I’m not sure anyone has the political talent to thread the needle. “Grandpa was great but he’s lost it?” Maybe.

People have made their minds up on Trump.

There is literally nothing that can come out of J6 hearings that will change ~anyone’s mind.

That’s true for his sycophant base, but not the majority. They do not follow this stuff like you guys do, and have no idea all that was transpiring behind the scenes. If you walked up to 100 random Americans on the street, how many do you think even know who Brad Raffensburger is? Or the extent of what Meadows, Guilliani, Eastman, et al. were doing to execute their plan to have Pence reject the legitimate results and throw the election back to the states? Or the plan was underway to send illegitimate electors? I don’t understand all of it and I try to follow it more than most

You guys are ridiculously informed. Most are not, and public hearings will go a long way toward getting all the facts out to the average American

And I’m saying the average American does not care. At all.