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I used to hate gin as well, but a few years ago I started making gin cocktails (thanks to the legendary Clare Quilty on 22, wonder what happened to him) and now I love it.

The problem with the last word or aviation cocktails as gateways to gin is that they require ingredients (green chartreuse and violet liqueur) that are of not much use elsewhere if you happen not to like the cocktails. Now, don’t get me wrong, an ounce of Green Chartreuse after dinner served in a little estate sale 100-years old glass is fantastic as a digestive and makes you feel all
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The one gateway cocktail to gin I’d recommend is the Negroni. It’s super simple to make and the ingredients are cheap and readily available (gin, campari, sweet vermouth). If you still don’t like that you can skip the gin and make an Americano (campari, vermouth, soda water) and maybe splash some gin and build from there.

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That seems like a borderline crazy amount of Chartreuse, but I guess that means I’ll have to give it a shot.

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Surprised at so much gin hate. I like dry gin and really like tonic water, sometimes I just drink it plain. I’ll drink just about anything alcoholic but my least favorite liquor is tequila

Me too. Its a pleasant poolside drink.

This is a fair criticism, especially considering green chartreuse isn’t cheap. Chartreuse as a spirit is another worthy rabbit-hole conversation, btw.

How about this: Bee’s Knees

Accessible ingredients, easy-ish to make (gotta make honey syrup), delicious, and doesn’t taste like gin imo.

Plus, you can pour it into one of those fancy cocktail glasses, swish it around gently, and say big words like “indubitably” in general conversation.

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There is, indubitably, only one way this conversation should end up in.

Sante, my fellow drinkers.
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See, I like gin, and I like complex cocktails, but Negronis are not for me. I do not care for Campari at all.

If I were going to recommend a gin thing for gin haters, I would go with Hendrick’s. More cucumber and rose than juniper, so it doesn’t taste as piny.

Do you have food pairing plans?

not sure if it completely fits the topic, but i found this video really cool. i enjoy over the top cocktails concepts

I haven’t made this myself, but Diffords guide is my go to for cocktail recipes: Mai Tai (Trader Vic's) Cocktail

Looks like the Diffords recipe has half the sugar than the one in your link, which makes a huge difference.

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Paul Harrington has never steered me wrong, although I have never tried his Mai Tai recipe due to not stocking orgeat. But:

2.5 oz dark rum
3/4 oz lime juice
1/2 oz curacao (he doesn’t think Cointreau or Grand Marnier are worth splurging for in this recipe, but they won’t ruin it, either)
“splash” (~1/4 oz) orgeat
“splash” (~1/4 oz) grenadine or simple syrup

Shake the above with cracked ice, and pour into a Collins glass or goblet filled with ice. Top with another 0.5 oz dark rum, and garnish with an umbrella, cherry, and blossom (don’t go overboard with a fruit basket). If you want a 3 layered look, shake everything but the grenadine with ice, strain, and then pour into the glass with ice. Add the grenadine down the side of the glass (it’ll sink), and then top as above.

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Damn, that’s a lot of rum for one drink!

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Yeah, this is pretty close to the one I posted. Mine has still less orgeat and MOAR RUM. I bet reasonable people could disagree about the exact proportions once you get into this ballpark, but goofy’s recipe definitely seems to have too much orgeat and not enough rum.

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All the flyover state trash i know would whine about it not being pink enough so I am going to guess you are on to something here.

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Are all of the single vineyard offerings also dry? Check the back label. If “off dry” it will open up some other suggestions like spicy Thai or Indian meals.

Here are some ideas for pairing dry (also nothing wrong with drinking without food or just with some nice soft cheeses):

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How did you prepare the scallops? I would go with something pretty simple like pan seared or grilled and then just hit them up with lime or lemon juice and maybe some Aleppo pepper flakes - that should work with a dry Riesling.

Piccata is one of my favorite dishes. Also works well with fish instead of chicken (actually, I always do fish - any white fish will do).

@anon10387340 or anyone, any recs for Sonoma? Wife and I are going up w another couple today.

So far we have tasting reservations and Buena Vista and Kivelstadt wineries, which I think are both in Sonoma square.

I don’t have too much experience with Sonoma wines but my two favorites that I can highly recommend are Ramey (I love for his Chardonnay but his reds get some acclaim as well) and Ridge for Zins. But they both taste out of Healdsburg, which I think is about 30 miles from downtown Sonoma.

My buddy is a somm and lives in downtown Sonoma. I’ve text him but he hasn’t responded yet. What kinds of wines are you interested in? Zins, Cabs and other Bordeaux varieties, Pinot Noir, or Syrah? Whites in Sonoma I think are mostly all Chardonnay and maybe Riesling?)

There is also this thread, but it’s pretty massive and prolly info overload considering you are going today.