DUDE check out his resume. He has been a writer/producer/director for all of these.
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Heās very good at action movies, everything else he does is meh.
So Rey and Kylo are first cousins once removed? Not that bad really. You can marry your first cousin once removed legally afaik
Regarding Henry and Felicity tho
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J^2 Abrams killed Star Trek and he killed Star Wars, the man should be doing time next to Paul Manafort.
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regarding henry may be the only one of those Iāve seen, not sure. oh and mission impossible and armageddon lol who hasnāt
thatās a nice resumeā I guess, but not very distinguished imo and why one moment of real magic is out of reach for him, while there are innumerable we take for granted from the OG trilogy
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Did he though? Star Trek (2009) is so good. Infinitely rewatchable. But he did whiff it on the second one, and I think we saw ultimately that the path forward was for his Star Trek to be a one-off alternate universe kind of thing.
Did he kill Star Wars? The Force Awakens is terrific and did everything it needed to do to reinvigorate enthusiasm and faith in the Star Wars brand. I would argue he did the same thing with Star Trek (2009).
He just kind of sucks at endings. I mean really, really sucks. Heās a mystery box writer who is at his best getting you obsessed with the box, but when it comes time to tie it all together and offer a satisfying reveal of whatās in the box, he becomes as incompetent as the rest of us.
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Well we will agree to disagree then. I consider the movies I posted to be terrific. I rewatch them all the time.
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Abrams is Luke in this scene. He does not believe.
āHear you nothing that I say?ā Just Goat language.
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I didnāt mean to say he canāt achieve some great stuff, that was an ignorant comment obvs. I hope he does/ has
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Itās not like Di$ney dumped four bills to sit on this franchise or roll the dice by turning it into some avant garde art canon rewrite. Of course theyāre gonna sell you suckers sewer water at Fiji prices. Thatās what corporate American fucking is. They donāt pay premiums for something that needs an updated kitchen and new electricātheyāre simply hoping you donāt notice until the house burns down.
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We still have very few franchises in the last decade to really just fail. Star Wars is now debatable. DC did. Most other flops critical or commercial have been one offs.
The DC universe is a critical flop but not a commercial flop. Their results are not as impressive as Marvel but theyāve certainly made money.
The big franchise flop in the last decade or so is definitely Terminator. I doubt any of the last three movies made money. Also not very critically well received.
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I mean Chris isnāt wrong that eventually it has to end with the hero doing a backflip off a skyscraper and landing perfectly in a pot of gold in the back of a moving truck all while decapitating the villain, saving the girl, and dunking a basketball in the process. But at least sometimes they tell the story over several stand-alone films, and thatās how they can set up just enough tension and complexity like in Empire to make you really feel something. It think that just happens by chance though.
But the problem isnāt just that the distilled story arc is childās play, itās that the once novel parlor tricks from the first two films are not only known but expected. The good guy is the spawn of the bad guy (or vice versa). The good guy becomes the bad guy (or vice versa). The super weapon that canāt possibly exist exists. Everythingās a trap.
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For sure. Nor did I mean to say heās the greatest thing since gluten-free bread.
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I know Iām in the minority but Star Trek 2009 was awful. What makes it Star Trek? They recast the roles and itās still in space, then what? Star Trek is about ideas, sometimes theyāre nerdy science fiction ideas and sometimes they are ideas about who people are as human beings. The reboot had no ideas, it was just fluff with a dumb plot.
Iām really going to enjoy reading critics trash the last movie who also praised The Force Awakens. I mean the whole trilogy turned out to be a 9 hour long abortion, but to the extent that people are going to complain about The Rise of Skywalker having excessive fan service? Like dafuq? Did you miss the First Order and Death Star part Trois?
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Build a better Death Star and the world will beat a path to your door.
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As a huge Star Trek fan I kind of agree. But this isnāt just a problem with Star Trek 2009. By the same logic, is Wrath of Khan a Star Trek movie? Certainly the much worse film Star Trek: The Motion Picture is way more of a Star Trek movie than Khan. Wrath of Khan kind of rebooted Star Trek as an action space adventure movie franchise, which certainly isnāt what TOS or TNG ever was. The first and fifth movies were probably the most āStar Trekā of any of the films, and without question the worst.
Iāll agree that 2009 was probably by far the least Star Trek of any of the previous Star Trek movies. But it was a good movie. The opening scene packed in about a million volts of emotion. Was it big, dumb and entirely missing the point of Star Trek? Yes. But it worked for me.
Prepare the red matter! (Why do they need a couple of cubic yards of red matter sitting around when a few cc will apparently destroy an entire planet? Seems dangerous.) Shut up brain!
But I felt the same way about TFA. And I will agree that while I was thrilled with both TFA and Star Trek in the theatres, they both set the series on a dead end. Because while JJ knows how to make a good, emotion-packed, fan service movie, he doesnāt understand Star Wars. And he doesnāt understand Star Trek. Not really.
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JJ Abrams is like that guy who thinks making a pop culture reference is equivalent telling a joke. He just crams his Star Trek movies full of in-references for the fans and he thinks itās a Star Trek. Thereās none of the chemistry or the sci-fi storytelling that made classic Trek great. Only good thing about it was Karl Urban, who was absolutely spot-on as McCoy.
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Went in with incredibly low expectations, was even mentally prepared to leave the theater in the middle of the movie if needed mainly due to my hatred of TLJ (as explained movies thread). Other issue is that the plot was already somewhat spoiled by the trailers. Emperor Palpatine has returned! Its cloning, or its dark side force powers, or its just actually him! Doesnāt matter, you decide! Work with us here.
Being so wishy washy on villains might actually be the worse aspect of the new trilogy. Guess you ultimately have to resurrect the original alpha villain because you know you have nothing else creatively.
As expected, the Emperor returning (I think?) didnāt quite work, as expected there were pointless new characters, and failed nostalgia bring backing back old ones. There was still too much slapstick comedy and melodrama but admittedly a lot less than other post-RotJ movies. Visually it might have been one of the best Stars Wars. Music blended in well. Acting was not bad given what the actors were working with. Overall it may have exceeded my expectations but yeah they were really low to start.
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