Put em all in the Scumbags by DraftKings wing after they are dead.
Just call it the DraftKings Hall of Fame wing and it will be obvious to all who visit.
I say let people in based on their stats and if you want to be a stickler just avoid edge cases. Roids can’t get you HOF numbers, not really.
I also say that if you weren’t suspended, voters shouldn’t get to decide for themselves you cheated.
Not letting Bonds in is hilariously dumb. He had two HOF careers.
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Runs per game (per team) were higher during the steroid era (1994-2002) than in the prior or subsequent periods.
1989-1993: 4.28 rpg
1994-2002: 4.88 rpg
2021-2025: 4.45 rpg
It’s fair to say that hitters benefited more.
What about vaccines?
I think liberals tend to be more rules/norm oriented. Someone like Trump for example would be 100% in favor of letting everyone in to the Hall.
Confederate statue logic.
Source?
Of course you can, what they were doing was against the rules and they knew it was against the rules. They chose to ignore the rules and shouldn’t be allowed to benefit from that choice. I’m fine with it keeping them out of the hall forever, but at the very least keep them out until they die, then allow them in with a big note on their plaque saying what they did. I might be convinced to let them in while they are alive but don’t let them even attend the induction ceremony.
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Al Stump
Not meant to be a gotcha or anything, but if evidence were to come out about someone currently in the HOF - say, as much evidence as we currently have about Gary Sheffield - would you also be in favor of removing that person?
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Probably because a lot more hitters than pitchers juiced. The juicing pitchers were probably all flamethrowers who were careful about changing their physiques much to avoid wrecking technique.
In their prime earliest juicing era in the late 80s the Rangers had at least 5 starters juicing. Look at Gonzalez, Franco, and Sierra when they came in the league vs. what they looked like then. Dean Palmer was a nobody who lit up. Then you have Canseco and Palmeiro. Incaviglia was a little fat but he was sus before anyone else. Sosa was also on that team but I seem to remember he was small then.
Yes.
I’m not saying we need to send a team of investigators to route through every single players past. But if a bunch of ichiro’s teammates come out tomorrow and say they saw him shooting up andro in the locker room then he should be removed.
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I don’t have a ton of data on this but I don’t think roids tells the whole story. Anecdotally and by the radar gun pitching training seems to have outpaced hitters over the past 20 years. In the 1990s guys that could regularly throw high 90s were relatively rare. Now that’s almost a starting point for mlb consideration.
When I played the conventional wisdom was a strong throwing arm was 90% genetics. You either had it or you didn’t. There’s some truth to that but there’s also been significant adjustments to training that are increasing pitchers velocities more than ever though possible 40 years ago.
I strongly suspect this has a larger impact on reduced scoring than cleaning up the juice did.
But it wasn’t against the rules. In fact, MLB encouraged it after the players strike in 1994 in order to bring the fans back.
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What about guys who took greenies? Should they be in the hall?
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What are greenies?
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Yes. Breaking the rules either matters or it doesn’t. I’m sure it wouldn’t be that simple in practice and the evidence would need to be pretty substantial, but I’d be alright with removing someone who broke that rule during their career but didn’t get caught until later.
I’m assuming at some point it was against the rules or they wouldn’t have been investigating it.
Like Glenn Close in Damages, I had no idea.