I’m in the let them in when they are dead and put it on the plaque. Some of the bullshit they did was beyond just the competitive advantage. Clemens and it was his wife’s roids or something.
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But Clemens got away with it. Bonds did not. I think there’s a tiny chance Bonds didn’t know the clear and cream were performance enhancers because he was so good. Why would he say his regimen if he thought they could burn him?
Guys who played baseball seriously: if somebody had come to you and said “you are a real MLB prospect and if you do these steroids you have a good shot of making the show” do you think you’d have said no?
You can’t be a liberal and say “My body, my choice except for drugs in sports.”
These are adult men choosing what they want to do.
Also, the Hall of Fame is a museum. You can’t just ignore the parts you don’t like. You might as well be a redneck from the south saying Heritage not Hate.
Just note on the plaque that the player failed a drug test or whatever. History is complicated. It’s the job of the museum to show that and not ignore it because they idolized some fat ass from 100 years ago that probably couldn’t make it out of AA in today’s game. And I’m a Yankees fan FFS.
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Maybe he didn’t know
He would have gotten in anyhow
Anyone would do the same thing.
Seems like the Hall of excuses to me.
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Im in favor of a separate steroid wing
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The guy that gave up the home run to Bonds allowing him to pass Aaron was suspended for steroids but Bonds was never suspended.
A lot of this is racism and assholery from the old guard that doesn’t like being reminded that their idols aren’t as good as the players today.
It was the steroid era and it was entertaining as hell. Let them in.
And let Pete Rose in too while you’re at it.
That’s a good question. Many on my team talked about it but decided it wasn’t worth it because none of us would get to D1. On a different calculus who knows?
Our best MLB prospect 2 years ahead of me was like George Brett. He was an amazing third baseman who hit whatever was pitched to him. He batted left handed. He went to OU when they were a good team, was moved to 1B, and ‘fizzled out’. If that guy couldn’t make it I’ve never seen young MLB talent in person. I just looked up his stats and here they were:
Freshman-.271
Sophomore-.302
Junior-.333
Senior-.315
They went to the CWS in his senior year and he got no love. I don’t think he was tall enough to be a 1B prospect but he was a great third baseman and probably could have moved to 2nd as well. I want to say he was either 5’11 or 6 feet even.
I also grew up with someone who was probably good enough to pitch at D1 but he had grade and personal issues. He’s now a small town high school AD and head football coach despite baseball being his best sport. There was one brief flame who lit up varsity baseball for a few weeks but he had major substance abuse problems and was quickly gone.
I think there was a pitcher for a rival school who was my same age who made it to MLB. I think he one hit us freshman year. The one guy who got a hit off him was picked off by him lol. He wasn’t unhittable, he was just a ground ball pitcher. I can’t remember his name.
F Pete Rose seriously
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Air fryers and maaaaybe pressure cookers deserve to get in but I really struggle to justify juicers getting into the Hall.
You bozos dying on the hill of celery juice? The fuck? You ever have an air fried chicken nuggy? That shit is first ballot.
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Frank Thomas got so screwed by the steroid era. I know he was first ballot but still
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But how’s he doing in the fake Viagra era?
Pete Rose was an awful human but all-time great player. Set up a Ty Cobb room for scoundrels or something in Cooperstown but let’s not pretend these players aren’t an indelible part of baseball history.
Put him in the room surrounded by the Black Sox
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That’s the right idea. The Hall of Shame wing.
Nazis are an indelible part of human history, but we don’t need Hitler statues in every plaza because of it
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I certainly don’t disagree with you there, but I’m not quite ready to equate the transgressions of Pete Rose to those of Hitler.
Maybe if he was a little bit less of an a-hole when he was caught. But again that was probably way below his pay grade. He can come in when Bonds gets in.
If Selig is in the guys who made the game entertaining while he was commissioner should be in, too.
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