yeah if I had the choice between a rape trial and being dragged through the mud for months by Bryant surrogates and fans which could easily end in acquittal anyway and five million bucks then I know what I would choose.
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Rugby. I have explicitly said, over and over that his faults should not be white washed. That the rape should not be ignored. I brought up his suspension for using a slur, which wasn’t otherwise mentioned itt. That you’re accusing me of this is garbage. I have literally said the opposite of what you’re smearing me with.
The WaPo made a mistake obviously. They apologized for it. This has much less to do with “rape culture” than online mobs. Whenever thousands of people descend on someone online, companies always panic.
If corporations panic, maybe we need more online mobs.
almost posted in here last night, almost posted in here now lmao. wat a trainwreck
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I don’t think people having to hole up in hotels because they don’t feel safe is the road we want to go down. People who harassed her should feel awful and it’s even worse that it took her employer a full day to have her back in the situation. They’re owned by the richest man on earth and instantly crumbled to an online mob.
I know you posted a ton in threadzilla. I think you’re slightly older than I am, but I still remember quite a bit about this? Obviously we weren’t on 2p2 quite yet but this was still the age when something like this/the MJ case etc captured the news for weeks or months.
I’m on the record as endorsing Maxine Waters’ approach to how to treat Trump supporters. That extends to online behavior.
I don’t advocate for death threats, but I don’t mind people who are wrong feeling uncomfortable.
I think I’m on your side more than not, but it’s another situation that involves a ton of nuance. Gamergate showed how well bad faith campaigns work. The right wing and places like 4chan are really, really good at coordinated efforts like this. If we give more power to online mobs, there might be some good results like Bret Stephens finally having to get a new job, but it would largely backfire imo.
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I respect you Johnny, but nearly my entire point is that your last paragraph is just a deep collective rot in many of us. We don’t have to do this. We don’t have to be constantly online. We don’t have to seek validation like this, we don’t have to let things get to us. That goes for both sides, on most debates. If you haven’t thought about Kobe for years or longer, you just don’t have to get mentally worked up about him now. It’s why I’m much less active here than I was on the 2p2 politics forum. I was expending more energy in things that were making me upset that I didn’t generally care about! Spending hours dunking on trolls for what?
Kobe is the most beloved person to die since Dianna and is popular in LA in a way no one else in the USA is beloved in a city not just because he was really good at putting a ball in a basket. We can grapple with how someone credibly accused with rape rebuilt their image enough to transcend sports worldwide. That’s a part of his life and our culture worth touching on. Most of the almost 300 posts are piling on Cruse. Do you guys really think he’s a bad person or poster, or just dislike his take? Obviously it’s the latter. Is it really worth ~250 posts pointing the latter out here?
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The only reason it looks like a pile on is because only a tiny handful of people on this site share his shitty viewpoint. My biggest issue with him (on this and on the other big issue he was involved in) is that he seemingly takes absolutely no feedback from anybody. He smugly thinks his viewpoint is correct and that’s that.
Oh pleeease.
Kobe and Dianna were equally beloved by me, to be sure
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Lou Reed and Bowie meant a lot more to me than Kobe. Kobe has gotten way, way more love after his death. Kobe is a giant in Africa, China and across the world unlike most actors/musicians.
I don’t think Kobe and Kavanaugh or Brock etc are worth the same conversation in whole. That is part of my point. The rage of Kavanaugh at his accusers, that his next best accomplishment was trying to get Clinton. Kobe did a lot of very positive things in his life. I can’t remember the last time I saw this many grown men cry. If you want a conversation about rehabilitation, that is worth having. Can you be rehabilitated in the eye of the public after something like this? Is there any amount of good you can do to win someone like Johnny over? People like Kavanaugh or Brock didn’t try. Their attitude was a fuck you.
I don’t think the “left” or any part of the political spectrum has thrown his accuser under the bus since his death. Again, this premise that his indiscretions are being swept aside is completely faulty. It has been sufficiently covered by the media, and largely responsibly. No one is treating the rape as a footnote. The homophobic slur suspension has been reduced to this, but it’s been a major part of the discourse.
That may be so, but Diana???
I’ve seen a lot of media make the Diana Kobe connection.
He has my sympathy.
Aren’t you European? Kobe is practically royalty in LA. There will be statutes built of him. There will be streets and buildings in his name.
That is a better post and I think what was missing up thread.