Technically, “no bans” was tried in response to the increase in vitriol prior to bans. The no bans were not at all effective. Fidget is already on the record that he considered me calling out his posting, without banning him or taking other moderator action, to be an unacceptable use of mod power as well as bias against him.
I’m busy working and I’m not sure how much brainpower I want to devote to this thread. I will ask these questions.
If this were a horizontally moderated forum, how would a minority who wanted a vertically moderated subforum be dealt with? How would a thread like this be moderated in the proposed subforum?
For those who prefer the current moderation regime, how would you want to be treated in the scenario I suggested where you are in the minority?
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I have no idea.
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You can really boil the core of this down to the c-word issue. If you think it’s acceptable to raise a huge stink over not being able to use the c-word, then we’re at an intractable impasse.
The fact that this even has to be said is just weird to me. It’s just a message forum. It’s just one word.
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I don’t think I understand the question. If I banned someone, they couldn’t post in OOT until their ban was up. Or if I ultimately exiled someone, they went over to Unchained and helped ferment a cesspool of vitriol and racism that would inevitably spill back into the main Politics forum from time to time. No, I didn’t really like that, but I wasn’t allowed to hand out permanent bans.
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Thread needs a throttle IMO.
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These both seem like legitimate concerns. How do you think this will work out? Other than wanting it, what concrete mechanism do you propose to stop cross sub shit talking?
I realize it might sound like it, but I’m not trying to say the c-word issue was the core of all this.
What I meant is that if someone thinks raising a huge stink over the c-word is acceptable, then I have nothing more to discuss with that poster. We have fundamentally different values about how to approach being part of a community and how serious to take tiny transgressions.
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So we’re saying Ikes has no self-control and won’t be happy being King Of All Covids in his own thread? Hm.
Honestly, and I don’t want to put words in anybody’s mouth because I’m far from the, uh, captain of this ship, but I think there just wouldn’t be a separate covid thread. I mean, it’s such a hyperspecific example; at no point in history, before a year and so ago, would any forum anywhere have a “Discuss the current pandemic killing millions” thread. And thus it breeds a specific sort of heated exchanges.
My personal answer though would be, yeah, free-for-all basically, unless the sheer volume of posts turns into literal spam. At this point I’m probably never going to understand the problem with just scrolling past some shit you don’t want to read.
It’s not like these are all handwritten pages and somebody comes along and snatches them up and throws them in the air and they get blown around here and there. I mean, I don’t know how old-school you are but on older forums you could actually break the formatting with tricks and truly “ruin” a thread. On here it’s not possible. The words are always going to be in the neat little rectangles and you’re always going to have the colorful little notifications circles directing you and streamlining your forum experience.
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Someone getting exiled from OOT and then coming to Politics to complain about it basically never happened, because no other forums were restricted from doling out permanent bans like Politics was. In the hypothetical, that person would have no leash to the point of being immediately exiled again for doing it, because if you’re stupid enough to complain about a ban in totally-not-the-right-place, you’re not going to make it there. I guess we did have some Politics exiles who took up residence in H&F or SE or POG and were generally regarded as some of their worst ever posters.
I second this request.
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Holy emotional response batman!
I’m thinking about SenorKeed trying to get out in front of the Chinese lab conspiracy, and the reasonable assumption that people like Churchill will get more rope in your forum here. Those are tough modding cases that I think your new forum would come to a different conclusion on, that is all.
Calm the f down.
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I’m saying that raising a giant stink about not being able to use the c-word, which some did, is not acceptable.
Furthermore anyone who thinks that this behavior is acceptable does not have the same values as me. So it’s not worth arguing with them about other issues - because if we can’t agree on a core value like “it’s not cool to throw a tantrum because you can’t use one word on a message forum”, we’ll never see eye to eye.
I know that was a specific example, but I personally feel like the same posters would find their way into threads on either side of the tracks to fight each other. It’s happening in literally every single new thread.
But it helps to hear that you don’t envision two versions of every popular thread, and my interpretation of what I’m reading is that past feuds/bickering is allowed and should just be ignored by folks if they don’t like the drama, and because it’s the new forum other people won’t jump in and get involved. I’m skeptical of that, but ok.
regale us
throw a dart and pick a thread
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My guess is the new subforum will turn out like how the seizing the means, anarchy, abolish landlords, etc threads are now. People like me will stay out, and posters who like to argue with the super-lefties will go there to argue with them.
But I admit I am kind of curious to see how it plays out. You don’t have to worry about me coming in there that’s for sure.
Wait, so the timeline is:
- Keed posted an article about the origins of COVID in the origins of COVID thread.
- Based on your scientific training, you determined it was of low-quality.
- …so you posted abusively towards Keed?
- Keed wasn’t happy with the way MrWookie handled that abuse.
- So he became embroiled in a seditious plot of lèse-modjesté to establish a subforum that would run differently.
And all this proves that he doesn’t really care about having a forum that runs differently?? I get the opposite—it’s really more of an explanation of how he was radicalized into captaincy than an argument that he doesn’t really value horizontal moderation.
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Voting yes.
I find myself often aligning politically and posting-style wise more with the “non-captains”, but I do like almost everyone here and really just want all the bullshit to stop.
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It’s a sub forum, it’s been done a zillion times before, wild anyone would have an issue with it this time. I do look forward to the hundreds of thousands of words to come debating this one however.
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If this is approved, do the people who are most passionate about creating this forum expect that they would post less in About the Forum and spend less time otherwise criticizing the governance of the rest of the forum?
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