Why would we call each other bad faith lying gaslighting trolls? We’re not bad faith lying gaslighting trolls.
It’s like, you all really don’t, on a deep ingrained level, understand how words work. I’ve been insulted enough times in the past couple days to almost be certain of this. It’s like, they determined they were mad at me, then did a madlibs grab bag of “words that I know are bad, that I can use when I am mad at somebody, to say they are bad” and then just, like, used them. It’s bizarre.
Voting yes although I think some of these concerns need to be ironed out.
I don’t want to get in a situation where posters are opening talking negatively about other posters in different forums.
I’m also assuming we can participate in both forums (This may of already been answered)
If it’s all the same to everyone else I think the same words should be censored across the board. I don’t think very many words are censored right now regardless.
I prefer one forum with one set of rules. You set up multiple forums and you end up with those dicks from SMP invading your forum. How about we just don’t let people be dicks and have one community instead of lots of communities that don’t like each other?
Well, I guess we don’t see eye to eye on that one, but it also struck me that the people accused of making personal attacks there were also some who ate some bans for public personal attacks here, so I’m still wondering why we’re expected to forget past behavior.
A forum within the forum - no thanks.
So let’s make something else explicit. The talk about ‘vertical’ vs ‘horizontal’ moderation differences is utter bullshit.
This is a very horizontally moderated forum. You don’t want more or less horizontal, you just don’t like the decisions made by the community. You want your little clique to make decisions instead.
The beginning of the Captains thread makes this clear. There, SK repeatedly complains about how I treated him in the origins of the covid thread. For those who don’t want to read those awful posts, SK posted a self-published piece on Medium from a non-scientist who thinks that DNA is largely responsible for racial stereotypes. I recognized the guy after reading the first paragraph or so, and saw quickly it was nonsense, and refused to read any more than that. You can call my actions towards him after that abusive if you want, it’s not important to this discussion.
Now, did SK ever bring some sort of action that involved horizontal modding? Did he talk to the community at large about the great abuse that was heaped on him? The answer those questions are no. Instead, he started a plot to have his own little forum where the people who made up the floor were exclusively picked to be his little buddies.
The Captain’s thread also explicitly made clear the horizontal stuff was bullshit. They explicitly talked about not allowing me and trolly posting in their forum. They have no respect to the community’s decisions and do not care about horizontal modding at all. They just want their mates to be in charge of things.
So if you vote for the forum, know that it has precisely nothing to do with different styles of moderation and everything to do with a small loud vocal minority wanting disproportionate say in what happens in a community.
i agree, if people feel that heated they can just vent in pm and not mess up the experie-FUCK
COMMENT: a wild ikes has appeared
There have been a lot of theories floated around but this is my favorite. Ikes cause Keed to start a plot to start his own forum. Well done Ikes!
This is the post I made that ikes is referring to here, people can judge for themselves if his paraphrases are fair:
Yeah, OK, but by that definition everyone trolls. My definition is adopting and advocating positions that you don’t actually sincerely hold. That’s very rare.
But it reminds me of why I stopped posting a month back. A few of us were trying to discuss an article in the Covid origins thread, and ikes was posting about how we didn’t know what we were talking about all while admitting that he hadn’t read a word of the article in question. Then he started accusing ME of not reading the article. Ikes, I said, YOU admitted to having not read the article! How could you know if I read it? Then after a while I told him to fuck off or some such and Wookie banned me for a day for “bad faith posting in the Covid origins thread.” Whereas ikes, insisting on dominating the conversation about an article he hadn’t read , was obviously posting in perfectly fine faith. BTW I really think Wookie hates it when people call ikes ikes.
So by my definition ikes wasn’t trolling: I’m sure he didn’t read the article, and his insistence on dominating conversations without actually knowing anything about the topic is just who he is. But by your definition it probably is trolling. And yeah, he probably does that more than most people.
This also hits home.
For those who don’t know, the word spaz is a fairly significant slur among the brits. Had no idea honestly. I used it to describe a soccer player doing something stupid and rash, as is a typical American usage. Jalfrezi got mad about it. And instead of refusing to change at all I just said sorry.
I’m scripting all this shit for your amusement.
So… I was completely right? I admitted to not fully reading the article written but the non-scientist racist piece of shit. You used it to push a conspiracy theory. That paper, btw, ended up being entirely dismissed by anyone serious. I’m struggling with what went differently.
Did you do some sort of ‘horizontal modding’ there? What did you do, at all, in response to that offense other than plot to make it so the horizontal modding including anything other than your mates? Is it trolling to dismiss tucker Carlson without watching the whole video?
The point here isn’t to show that you were wrong or right in that thread, but you make zero effort to do any horizontal modding whatsoever, even though this is your supposed ethos. You just don’t like where the community’s choices have lead.
I literally didn’t do anything in response to your posting in that thread. That’s what I wanted to do and that’s what I did. It was like five weeks before I was invited to the Captains PM, and Johnny had his idea (plot?) for a subforum before I was ever invited to the PM thread.
So again, what horizontal modding did you do? What horizontal modding have you ever done? Why do you apparently want horizontal modding made of only your mates?
The answer, ofc, is that you guys do not actually care about horizontal modding. You just want things your way.
I could respect that, as at least it’s honest. I’d still think it’s dumb, but ffs the dishonesty pushed by you to try to cast y’all in a better light is super annoying.
Sir, I didn’t insult you in the slightest and your response is to say that I very deeply do not understand what words mean? What in the actual fuck? Did you just misread my question and assume I was calling you names?
Edit: I was asking two questions about what the designers intend in the new forum.
When the same folks show up in the new forum and start motherfucking each other and calling each other lying bad faith trolls, what specifically happens? They just fight it out endlessly in every thread or people will vote on who gets banned from the new forum?
Will the new forum have duplicate versions of every thread, or will it focus on different kinds of content?
Aw sheeeit you just made me go back and look and I came across that Skydiver post. The post. How was she not turbo-permabanned for that? I wouldn’t even want her banned, I’m just saying, you know, like, theoretically.
What is the dishonesty exactly?
That any of this has to do with ‘vertical’ or ‘horizontal’ modding.
It all comes down that you and a loud few others don’t like the decisions made by the community. That’s it.
Well I thought I made that clear: I don’t like the campaign of escalating bannings, think that it has increased animosity, and would like to try something else. So yes, I would like to try things my way, correct. Doesn’t seem particularly nefarious.