I think it is a bad idea as it is asserting control over the subforum that wants a degree of independence. Fine to let them have the “incumbency/status quo” bias that the subforum is fine in future votes instead of being presumed to be not worthy.
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The subforum may assign its moderators any or all of the following abilities: editing, hiding or deleting posts and threads within the subforum; excluding users from the subforum on a temporary or permanent basis;
The main forum will continue to be governed by the rules it has adopted and the RFC process. The main forum moderators will continue to have the following abilities: editing, hiding or deleting posts and threads; excluding users from the (main?) forum on a temporary or permanent basis; and throttling or locking threads.
Might need clarification, or say a PM from Forum Mod to clarify if trolling / poking in Main doesn’t stop, all forum including Sub forum denied
HN is a terrible place full of the worst of right wing startup tech bros
They’re a clique there that’s for sure. But they get pushback.
I think the poking and moderation choices will be defined on the fly - as and when it happens - most already know the lines in the main so why would the proposed sub-forum require input on rules when the sub committee would decide those and this committee is not yet formed.
If you don’t plan on posting in the sub forum, it shouldn’t be an issue
I got my 8 year old account there banned a few weeks ago for “overly ideological posts” i.e. dunking on Trumpers repeatedly. But it was mostly intentional i.e. sealioning “so you don’t have any evidence, curious” type stuff. Fuck that place.
Well-meaning CoC members: Guys, we need to build a culture of dignity and mutual respect.
Sabo: Waltzes into the sabo thread and takes a massive steaming dookie.
This is exactly what permabans are for. Here’s never going to change. He’s never going to show the tiniest bit of contrition.
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Do you guys even, like… “get”… the concept of not begging the question?
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Are we too stupid to get it? Again?
I’ll instead ask the “Captains” to refrain from getting dragged into responding to insincere questions and to refrain from responding to attacks posed as questions. It should be abundantly clear to all what’s going on and what the agenda really is.
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You guys actually read 6ix posts?
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While we wait for the love and respect to start flowing maybe we should have a Captains Draft.
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I’m not as smart as six but I think he’s trying to point out that that the framing of this situation at the moment appears to just be question begging. The group who want a new forum don’t see themselves as disruptive trolls hell bent on destroying unstuck. So, for example, when the question at hand is “are sabo’s posts intentionally disruptive?” and there is genuine disagreement on that question, asking “what will you do when sabo comes along and posts his usual disruptive crap?” is jumping the gun somewhat. Like if one of the captains asked “what are you guys gonna do to stop Wookie from being such a godawful forum destroying mod in future?” I think you could reasonably say well we haven’t concluded that wookie is even a bad mod let alone a detriment to the forum so lets park that question for now.
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It might have been better to leave sabo’s post up in the sabo thread. It was something else - just oozing with dignity and mutual respect. Ended by saying all of us should consider ourselves lucky we get the rare opportunity to “debate” (his quotes, presumably implying the debate is not a fair fight) someone of his caliber.
Not that I disagree, but you’re basically saying you view the differences as irreconcilable.
To me that means people should go to wherever they feel accepted and welcome.
I assert that there is no post that can be made that anyone can state with any degree of objectivity or epistemological certainty as being “disruptive.” As such, this alleged question-begging is more opinion-stating, so expecting some sort of exegesis of the post so as to establish an objective case for its status as “disruptive” or not is basically nonsense.
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I’m glad you’re on board for the subforum! Did you misclick your vote?
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It means I don’t care if you leave.
I think the idea is to frame opinions as opinions rather than its settled sabo is a troll so what should we do about it?
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That’s fairly stated. Speaking for myself, I tend to think there is a ‘fact of the matter’ to these kinds of disputes, or at least a chronology both parties can mostly agree to, but for practical purposes it’s mostly impossible to get at it, it’s a pity.