What is the new tool? I’m not seeing a clear explanation from you on that at all.
Dammit man, I was waiting for him to move into one of the threads where this offer was vaild
I read this to some kids in grade five a few weeks back.
I’m not sure what you mean, could you elaborate?
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I distinctly recall several posts and a general attitude in the PM thread that made fun of the RFC/voting process that we currently have. This process strikes me as very horizontal/democratic/egalitarian.
What process would you have to “horizontally mod” the subforum that is different?
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I think the idea is people who say nasty things over and over about other forum members will be told to stop. That may have sounded glib, but I think that’s literally the plan.
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If you read the PM thread I’m surprised you’d have to ask this question, it was extensively discussed. But to recap: feedback and openness to criticism and reversing course on any given moderation decision. Extensive documentation of all moderation decisions. Not actually making any specific rules at all, just taking actions that help posters live up to the posting guidelines of the forum. And through the documentation of moderation actions you could build up a heuristically-generated set of rules that are implicitly agreed upon by the Captains: Unmoored community.
All just my ideas.
Jmakin had the power to ban Wookie and disappear the entire forum, not the other way around! And the keys were handed over successfully with jmakin disappearing afterwards despite you ascribing all kinds of sinister motives and actions to him beyond what he admitted.
No hard feelings but this is definitely a divorce man, lol.
From what I’ve understood, jmakin basically isn’t banned because he is set to take a decent hiatus. If he took a self imposed month off, is that fine with you? If I’m wrong feel free to correct me.
Wait, what? Now I really don’t understand, because that sounds really, really different from:
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fine. OK.
When we asked people to stop using the c-word…some did not stop, and complained about us asking. What will happen to people who you politely ask to stop and they don’t stop? What if they are people you like/agree with/identify with?
And I actually haven’t seen an answer to my other question…will it be votes? and RFC? what do you propose that’s more democratic or horizontal?
to be clear, i’m asking this because I’m curious, not because I want to control or change your ideas.
Yes and this wasn’t one of the threads.
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I mean, I consider the exiles instead of bans over on 22 to be one of the worst things about the job and a major contributing factor to why the original forum was closed, but ok. A new tool that’s already failed spectacularly.
OK, now deleted.
It was a huge disaster in which talking it out was attempted, it got met with obvious bad faith opposition that wasn’t moderated, and trying to sort it out with some ill-formed polls only made things worse. I made several bad decisions surely, but if you didn’t follow that, you’re missing a ton of context for why the animosity exists as it is today.
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No, it wasn’t talked out. There were temp bans. And now, because people refused to actually change and stop using it, it’s censored. Then there was a big fight about that.
It was a basic ask for respect and certain people refused to grant that respect to the rest of the forum, so we had to force them.
You’re right! If I thought it had a chance in hell of passing, I would make an RFC with a very specific set of rules (simplified based on the ones you yourself wrote up when we got here), vote on those, then another RFC with a very specific and well-defined set of escalating consequences for breaking those rules.
But it seems folks round these parts don’t like rules, so I guess you can try your subforum.
For the record, I think you are failing to taking basic human nature into account, but I’m all for letting you try it.
If you want reconciliation not divorce why did you use your majority to force upon us an arbitrator who’s repeatedly demonstrated his bias?
So drilling down on this, it seems that “horizontal modding” means “no bans ever,” is that correct?
There aren’t many avenues for consequences on an internet forum. If there are no bans, what happens when someone repeatedly flouts whatever rules you do put into place? Even after you’ve asked them nicely to stop?
I will say, I’ve voted yes because I’m interested in this from a sociological perspective now. I hypothesize that, knowing what I know of human nature, that this experiment will ultimately fail, but we might learn some good things in the interim. I hope to be proven wrong (about the failing, not about the learning).
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So there could be bans. Ok so what if there’s a ban that most members of the subforum approve of, while a very vocal minority opposes? Time for a subsubforum?
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Bans are never the first cornerstone of my modding. It’s post flagging/hiding. The thing is, the mods need help with this. It’s why it exists. Of course modding is going to seem inconsistent when some posts are flagged and others, just as egregious, are not.
I cannot read every post on this forum. I cannot know if there are issues unless posts get flagged. Sure, it isn’t perfect, but it’s the way it’s supposed to work. We’ve repeatedly asked people to use this function.
One option we have but do not use is the ability to edit anyone’s posts. I’ve seen this done in other forums, but it definitely makes me uncomfortable. So we choose to hide them or delete them instead. Would editing them be preferable?
I’m asking the same questions because so far all I’ve seen is handwaving that it will all take care of itself, and if it was me wanting to set up a forum, I would doubt the efficacy of that approach.
I just love how you keep telling on yourself. You have great values.