Last year when Micro started modding.
Well, microbet and the other moderators had very different approaches to moderation and were moderating alongside each other. That wouldn’t be the case here.
LMAO.
What is step 2 of horizontal modding?
I don’t understand your question.
Don’t talk about horizontal modding, or maybe that’s rule one 
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Of course you don’t.
How much of the success of the new forums horizontal modding is based on the assumption that the Captains won’t treat each other the way they treated the mods in the current forum?
This is how it will go, someone will post the latest Coronavirus lab theory or whatever in the new forum. A main forumer then may come in posting in a huff saying that is bunk and how could you spread such non-sense, blah blah blah. The “horizontal moderators” will tell him to calm down or just go back to the main forum if you cannot make your points respectfully.
At that point the person either calms down or continues on, maybe just to prove a point. If they do continue on in a disruptive manner, they will likely eventually be banned from the subforum. Which is fine, it wouldn’t work if we just had one forum but that is what the two forums with the different philosophies are for.
You don’t have to buy that the Captains have “solved modding” for this to be a good idea.
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I think for the new forum to work there has to be a shift in culture to one of mutual respect, like bobman was talking about in his quote I put in the OP.
Some of us have been asking for this here for a long time. So I agree with you that it is necessary and I hope you pull it off.
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In the halcyon days of “horizontal modding” at the start of this forum, which really just meant that people weren’t being as mean to each other.
Right, I want to go back to doing that.
I mean this sincerely but why can’t people just do that here. Or be expected to do that or face consequences here.
I mean maybe your honest answer is the mods but I don’t see how one piece of internet real estate will be different than any other with a similar group of people?
So how does cheering sabo on when he’s shitting all over me for making an offhand comment not even directed at him fit in with a culture of mutual respect? I get huffy sometimes but I never just shit on someone out of the blue like that.
I haven’t heard one of the sabo cheerleaders admonish his behavior or express any inking that they think there was anything wrong with it. They just keep doubling and tripling down - sabo is a genius, you just don’t understand him, he deliberately leaves out pieces of the argument so you can figure it out yourself - like the wise sensei that he is, etc.
I’m all for mutual respect - but if 1/3 of the forum still sees sabo as an aggrieved martyr, or thinks it’s perfectly ok to have a meltdown because you can’t use the c-word - then I’m never going to have respect for that. I’ll stay out of the subforum, even if I get shit all over in there. But I’m not going to appease posters who won’t meet half or even a quarter of the way.
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It’s called an analogy. I’m not saying it’s my anything. In my example half of the forum stays here and the other half leaves for SaboKeed world. The last thing I’m going to want to see is that forum sitting right next to this one everytime I see it reminding me of this ridiculous shit show.
I’m sure they could. I mean I remember proposing a rule something like attack the argument not the poster rule when we first moved and everyone was all nah we like attacking the poster when the poster is a dumb shithead. Well, OK. But you’re not going to have a friendly forum, or rather, there is only going to be friendly relations among ideological factions. Which is largely what we see here.
So then Captains: Unmoored would be a way to self-select for people who aren’t first valuing ideological loyalty above all, but are placing respect and discourse as the higher virtue.
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You can mute the whole sub. No need to see any of it if you don’t want to.
I mean, I very honestly do to, but just sort of wishing it to be so doesn’t make it so. You personally are talking a decent game, but you’re also allied in this effort with people who are not. If your goal is more to just achieve a divorce between feuding factions, well, maybe, but that’s also not what you’ve been proposing.
And lest we rewrite history, the early days of this forum involved some very, very, vertical modding decisions, like the immediate and permanent bans of Inso and Kelhus and I think 1-2 others that, sure, were widely popular but also not subject to any sort of community referendum or attempts at mere “knock it off” statements to make them happen, and I think they were important to keeping this place humming. It’s revisionist to claim that the early days of this forum were more community-oriented when the real key difference was less outright feuding between prominent members.
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I actually disagree that most people are in ideological factions here. Maybe after this it’s more that way but outside of the 10% on the extremes on either side the actual majority doesn’t care or enjoy these petty squabbles. They dont hate each other based on where on the political spectrum either.
That’s my entire problem with this whole thing. Tearing the forum apart to appease either of the 10% groups is bad. Maybe that’s not what the end result is here. But it sure seems like it from my seat as someone who has mostly not done serious battle in the mod threads in a long long time.
I think posters that come to the sub to shit on other posters from the others subs will get exiled pretty quick, so you hopefully don’t have to worry about that. (If not, this isn’t going to work.)
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