One thing this has clearly shown is that poker players are on average no better at basic critical thinking skills than the general public even though they really should be.
This. It cannot be proven she was not cheating. I don’t see HCL or the poker “community”, such as it is, taking the side of a woman over a psuedo-alpha style guy (I don’t know anything about him, maybe that’s a wrong read) when it’s possible she cheated in some way they didn’t find.
Everything I know about Garret is he is a completely ethical stand up guy. He has also said stuff that makes it clear he is pretty left wing so I don’t buy at all it’s any kind of misogyny on his part.
I think he was just so confused in the moment, as we all would be, and didn’t know what to do.
I am guessing if this hadn’t blown up so much he would have realized a day or so later and given the money back. Now with legal action being threatened that may be harder to do.
I’ve seen the video posted on Twitter and it made gman look pretty bad. He was cheated by some people running a crooked game. He confronted them and told them if they didn’t give back his money he’d expose that their game was crooked. Once he got his money back he did nothing else and let them keep cheating other players.
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I don’t necessarily blame him. But if he doesn’t return the money and sticks with the cheating allegation, while simultaneously nothing is done to address the theoretical methods of cheating, and he/they just carry on, then that’s obviously no bueno. But we’ll see.
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As someone who has played an embarrassing amount of live low stakes poker, I think it’s very possible for a fish to make that call even knowing they have J4. If there’s one thing I’ve learned from low stakes, it’s to never underestimate how dumb people can be.
In addition, ego can make people even dumber, and this was an ego play by her. She called just so that she could say she called his bluff, didn’t really care about her chance of winning. If there was at least one hand she was beating, and other hands she had equity against, that was good enough for her.
One ego play I’ve seen multiple times is the 0-equity bluff. One person is all-in with an obviously strong hand, there’s no side pot yet. One of the remaining players makes an overbet shove with like the nut low, risking lots of money to win exactly $0, just so that he can say he bluffed someone. I recall in Tampa some guy did this at $1/2, shoved for like $1200 into a pot of $100-150, got a guy with top pair to tank-fold, then his 7-high air lost to the all-in guy. This is definitely dumber than Robbi’s call. Sometimes people even do this with a draw, which is even worse because then they prevent themselves from winning a side pot if it hits.
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Agree but I wonder if he can now that her husband has said legal action is coming?
I doubt he’d be sued if he apologized publicly and I doubt he can justify keeping the money if he does that.
Yes, I even bought a dozen different chairs and cell phones to see how much shaking each cell/chair combo would produce. I’ll release the results of my study in a YouTube video later this month.
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Some vibrations can be very pleasant so she might have waited on purpose in order to experience the river vibration.
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been listening to joeingram show pretty much since this happened and the professional consensus does seem to be shifting towards no cheat than cheat. Even joe started out seemingly strong yes-cheat and seems very firmly leaning no now.
I was a bit annoyed at polk who I thought should know better but after listening to his stuff I see where he’s coming from - I think he’s so good he literally can’t understand how a player could possibly play so bad except by cheating.
even polk has said this - “cheating or not this hand shouldnt have happened.”
the thing is, when neither explanation makes sense, you should probably default towards innocence, especially in the case of a fish. every rec and normie is gonna hear all this debate about auto shufflers, rfid’s, and anal beads and be like “oh well I’m not playing a rigged game.”
the game’s having a resurgence rn too. idiots.
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I’m legit embarrassed for anyone who actually thinks she cheated. It was obvious immediately she just was flustered and then was intimidated into giving the money back. Nothing has changed.
This is why people hate poker players.
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Yeah, often times it’s best to just chalk it up to breakage or whatever and move on with your health and well being in tact. The guy who was cold decking us with the deck in his lap was on the college basketball team and was well known to be a drug dealer, so we decided not to even accuse him. But he could only rig one hand an orbit, and he was TERRIBLE at poker. So we went back, made our money back while folding his deals, and then never went back. I folded AA preflop opening the action and he basically jumped out of his seat and made it obvious he knew.
Makes sense, that wouldn’t have been a big red flag to me until I connected the other dots.
Yeah in underground games you’re putting a ton of trust in dealers. I’m not sure if I’d be sharp enough to catch a dealer dealing bottoms or seconds, but I do make sure they cut and pitch low and stuff like that.
Yeah that’s what gave away the college basketball cheat. By the way, this scumbag once took a shot at his own basket in a real game, if you want to talk about stupid cheating. For sure he shaved points lol…
But the pattern was anytime you indicated you were leaving soon, he’d cooler you on his next deal. Me and two buddies from the radio station all had it happen, and were drinking after the game and put 2+2 together.
This is literally the weirdest hand I’ve ever seen in my life. On TV/stream/IRL in my games. HCL has been running for over a year, LATB has run for years, and tons of maniacs and whales have sucked out on pros while playing awful. This is the only one where there are allegations, as far as I know.
I mean, he may regret saying anything publicly just cause $1.8M > $135K. If letting this go was the cost of years more on stream… They have a lot of reasons not to say anything and to just wait and see what HCL finds out.
I’m very curious to see if she or Rip show up on stream again and if so, how others react.
Again, to be clear, I think it’s very likely she cheated and I think a device in her pants is one way she could have, I’m not anywhere near as confident that the bulge was a vibrating device as I am that she cheated. But that bulge is suspicious af. That hand was prior, so she could have moved it after because someone in on it told her it was visible. If that happened, maybe she moved it to a back pocket and sat on it, putting it into contact with the chair and transferring some vibration to the chair.
She was asked what it was and said it was her hip. Thus, she denied having ANY object there, no makeup case, no Altoids. She’s claiming to have a rectangular hip.
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But have you considered how much fun it is to go hard at cuse and call him a 'tard, a nut, a Qanoner, and an incel?
The most likely outcome even if she cheated is no proof. They apparently didn’t search her, per her interview with Joey, nor did they search her or Rip’s bags. It sounds like they didn’t check the deck, either. We wouldn’t be betting on what actually happened, we’d be betting on Nick Vertucci and Ryan Feldman’s competence in investigating it while being heavily incentivized not to find anything.
You accuse me of this, but…
You completely ignore:
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A 10-second recheck before calling.
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Saying after calling that she does not have a 3 in her hand.
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Not saying in the immediate aftermath that she misread her hand.
She didn’t say that until she was interviewed on stream, which was like 30-60 minutes later. The only time she references a 3 during the initial situation is prodding Garrett to get a read, “3 no good?”
That would be the infrared barcode scheme. I don’t think anyone thinks that’s likely at all here. I’d put it at 0.1%.
This isnt what happened but I’m done debating it with you. You are down the rabbit hole. Have fun.
She also seemed pretty sure she lost on board 1 after the 9 hit which would have counterfeited a 3. After the 9, Garrett said you got that one, and she replied I don’t think so. It could have just been a dumb response from her, but it would make sense if she thought she had J3 as she now loses to most bluffs.
I’m still on the fence whether she actually thought she had J3 or not, but there is some in game evidence pointing that way.