Lol, he plays in private games with sports team owners. He’s up huge. It’s easily 8 figures.
We’ve most past your hatred of women.
You’re really confusing online and live here.
You can have long breakeven stretches at midstakes/HS zoom because winrates are tiny. No one actually good has gigantic long term breakeven stretches at low to mid buyin tournaments, but the big problem in comparing it here is there just aren’t many big online tournaments. Staked pros are playing $33 events. There are more big live buyins than online ones.
Hellmuth probably has an average buyin of like $5k live.
An online $11 turbo and a $10k live aren’t a 1:1 experience.
If you played 4000 MTTs online you should absolutely know if you were a winner at most stakes you were playing! It’s a really big sample! The biggest problem is that most people are playing everything from $11-530, and running hot in the latter will be a bit more important.
If this was 2008 again and 11/22 180 mans filled every 5 minutes you would absolutely know your WR.
sorry, if you’re dissing me or GenX women, i’m not understanding the insult.
Poker rooms are objectively freezing, especially sitting there for hours without significant exercise. Or are you saying they aren’t?
I wonder how much staking Kathy Liebert got
She was staked by Seidel and Juanda.
Pokerbunny’s backers reportedly include Dara O’Kearney.
I agree with this.
Winrates play a massive role in variance and most good players overestimate their edge online and underestimate their potential winrate live.
A 2bb/100 winrate live would take 50 years to reach an accurate representation while a 15bb/100 which is possible live but not online would take a small fraction of that time.
The fact that it’s the biggest sample size of a group of sample sizes doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s big enough to exclude a heater.
Dwan has made way more money from poker than Hellmuth the last 10 years. That was truly a bizarre thing for you to say.
I have been a winner in tournaments in Oregon, Nevada, Washington, California, Maryland, and Florida
That means my sample size is big!!!
Edit: actually it’s bigger than Hellmuth’s because that’s 6 categories to his 5
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Where are you playing FLO8 tournaments?
Local casino is running it during a series they are holding. Next one is 4/25
Structure is bad but I like the game and dont get to play enough
It’s hard to have a bad structure with LO8, the nature of the game busts people slowly.
Allen Kessler disagrees.
Whenever I played HORSE tourneys, the O8 rounds were mostly killing time to get to one of the other games.
Your timeline here is way off. Dwan peaked in 08/09, and has barely played since 2016.
Most people also seem to think he got fucking rocked in Macau by the people with bottomless BR. This is pretty much accepted as why he stepped away from playing. I have a few friends in my group chat that have played the Stars events in Macau and became friends with the big players in those games.
Dwan is probably down money in the last decade where Hellmuth is up closer to 8 figures.
The sample size arguments here are plain bizarre and wrong. Online needs a large sample largely because people play games with very small edges and/or fast structures. Your typical lower stakes online tournament has ~10 minute blinds and half the field gone in an hour. Zoom cash games have “good” winrates of 2 bb/100.
Sites push these games because they are harder to beat, have more rake and have the fish survive longer.
This is not the case for large, live tournaments. You have a good structure and good players have an expected ROI way higher, thus you need less of a sample. As funcrusher said, if you have Fedor like results, we have a very high confidence you are a long term winner. If your ROI is 1% or 1 bb/100, we need a lifetime to see this. When it’s 15bb/100 or 100%+ ROI over a decent sample, this isn’t true. You don’t compare a $10k live tournament at 1:1 with a $22 bounty on stars. It’s an absolutely silly thing to do wrt sample size. We also only need a large sample size to get a true WR. Absolutely no one cares about this! We’re arguing over whether someone is a long term winner with confidence. We have easily more than enough of a sample for this.
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I think I may have said this before but Phil Hellmuth is absolutely one of the best poker players of all time if the list of poker skills is put into the proper order from most important to least.
- Self promotion to get money from online sites
- “Befriending” huge whales so they want to play Vs you and getting into juicy private games
- Having an image/playstyle that makes bad players play worse against you.
- General game selection when whale games aren’t running
- Bankroll management
- Minimising tilt and other money spews
- Running good
- Preflop hand selection
- Hand reading/ understanding what stories make sense
- Post flop skills, balance, value betting etc
By this list (the correct list) poker bunny is great player too.
Basically poker is mostly about finding rich old men (or I guess rich young men now crypto is a thing) who think that splashing money around makes up for them having awful personalities and generally being gross and offensive, and hoovering up as much of that splashed money as possible while not making it obvious that is what you’re trying to do.
It’s like being a stripper or a prostitute but less honest and slightly more grubby.
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