I don’t play on the app. I don’t know any agents who I trust. Most of them seem to be degen gamblers who are overall losers and who I would never trust with money. I’m also the kind of player who should be among the last to be recruited into a club.
I’ve seen a player lose set over set to turned or rivered quads three times in one day in live poker before. Why should I be surprised that it happens online?
If I were rigging a poker app, I would not be trying to get a bunch of all-ins on the flop. That just means some players are more likely to go broke due to variance. I would want to rig it so that players connect with the flop just enough to get some money in so that they pay max rake, but not strong enough to bust people with all-ins.
I’ve seen tons of complaints like yours about PokerBros and it wouldn’t surprise me to find out that an app poker game doesn’t have truly random poker hands.
Fair enough, I get it. I’ve been playing on a private site created by people I know too. It’s actually run on real software though. The social gaming poker apps have never seemed very trustworthy to me.
Mostly play 5/5. I get around and have played in a lot of places.
Not really a fan of the 43 in the hand. I don’t play very many xx43 hands unless the pot is likely to be heads up because you’re usually playing only two cards most of the time, but I play a pretty snug style, at least preflop. This means I don’t have good board coverage for low boards, but I find that you don’t really need that in a full ring game where pots are multi-way. I do loosen up when the game gets short, though.
I’ve been posting about low stakes NL because I’ve been trying to play more NL and tournaments to diversify my skill set and because I felt that stuff would be where I would get the most meaningful conversation. I’m not that comfortable playing no limit, but I need to reacquaint myself with the game after not taking it seriously for several years. I’ve never been impressed with the level of PLO strat discussion at 2+2 which I mostly don’t bother with, so I thought it was unlikely I would find much in this thread, which is why I haven’t brought it up.
I hope this doesn’t come off as dickish, but I tend to be cagey about giving too much info that can be used to link me to my real life identity, so I don’t want to be too specific. I’ll say that I’ve usually played 1000-1500 hours per year of PLO, plus a few hundred more hours of other games, for several years and I have a decent win rate in the 10-15 bb/hour range for PLO, but some of my hours come playing smaller than 5/5 and not too many come from playing bigger. That’s the winrate of a decent but not great player. I would expect an elite player to get something more like 20BB/hour and maybe as much as twice my hourly and I think I’m just missing that special something to get to that level. I don’t have as much access to bigger games unless I travel and I don’t think I have the skill set to progress farther than 5/T.
I play PLO because that’s where I can make the most money, but I don’t love the game the way other PLO players do. I’m not an action junkie, but I’m also not a complete nut peddler, although you often have to be in a lot of PLO games with a ton of people seeing the flop. I have a few moves in my arsenal that separate me from other tight players. My top skill is the discipline to stay in my lane and never tilt.
So, I’m more like a low stakes PLO grinder who gets solid, consistent results but who is very aware that he is not the best player. I should probably loosen up preflop, but I have a hard time coming up with the theoretical reasons for doing that and not the sort of player to just try stuff and see what happens.
I do think AQ43ds is a marginal hand preflop. If it’s +EV, it’s only slightly so. It’s probably more EV for you, since I’m not getting paid off as often by smaller flushes when I make the nuts.
Been playing a lot of Razz lately as private site has a pretty solid mid-stakes Razz game. Varies between being a relatively straightforward almost robotic game to a great action game.
AQ43 double isnt a super premium, but if the games are soft people are opening much wider than such and are likely cbetting less than they should and under bluffing. When they’re opening bad pairs like that as well you just dont have the blockers often enough to bluff oop either.
I just wouldnt want to play on the apps for any reasonable amount of $. Too scared of people sharing hole cards/it being rigged.
Stars games have been so good can’t imagine leaving atm although I’ve run about that bad at 1/2 as of late
Eh my mistake. I’m in a crummy mood with lockdown and runbad on the app. I know quite a few live pros that played on it for a while and won’t touch it now. From the few weeks I’ve played on it, it seems to favor action at a rate that I don’t see live. Tons of board pairs, flushes getting there, etc. More coolers than we are used to. After I lost a $1200 pot with 3 aces v 3 kings, guy lost over a 3K pot with same board texture (AK3) and same case K. This is at 1/2/4.
Anecdotally, the horrible players are winning more than the live PLO pros in the game. I see the good players get in way ahead and lose over and over again. Variance probably, but I don’t trust whatever bullshit certification they have from some Mickey Mouse company that says their shuffle is random.
I’ve seen so many players come in to a live game, run good for 2-3 weekends, then crater badly and give it all back, plus some. Small sample size. Variance. An unwarranted sense of entitlement. Coolers seeming to happen more often due to increased hands per hour.
Are the bad players playing differently online vs live? Have the live pros failed to adjust?
I pay more attention to the stories about getting money in and out of the apps. I hear about clubs going under. I hear about players who win too much having problems withdrawing. It feels like something that has a decent chance of devolving into a Ponzi scheme, if it hasn’t already.
I can accept the idea of the software being poorly written, along the lines of Planet Poker having a crackable RNG, more than the idea that the site is being intentionally rigged to create action flops. And I’m not ruling out that the app is rigged. That just seems like the less likely answer right now. Cheating is more likely to be a problem than riggage. Several of the players I know in the different casinos I play at are known or suspected colluders and I would not be comfortable playing in online games if they are there.
