I’m going to do a trip report for my Vegas weekend.
Put it here? New thread for travel / trip reports?
I really do feel like there’s a book to be written about playing 4/5/6/7/8-way pots in low stakes live MTTs. Because that’s what we’re in most of the time until it gets really late.
I think the main problem for me is you have to adjust your expectations. AK is still going to lose most of the time because you only flop 1/3 of the time and you pretty much just have to give up 5-way. (Btw I got basically called an idiot for saying AK flops TP+ ~1/3 of the time - table agreed it’s way less than that. Ok then.)
Sucks to be card dead for 2 hours and then finally get a big ace and have to raise pre/fold post. I don’t deal with frustration well obviously. That’s why I want to shove the damn thing so bad when it’s anywhere under 20 BBs. That usually gets through and yay more chips instead of losing them. But it’s not the most profitable way to play.
Seriously what is wrong with Chrome?
My impression is that limping SB makes sense against certain opponents and for certain stack sizes.
I might limp against an unknown to get a read for future hands.
97o is either fold, raise/fold or limp/fold depending on opponent. Limp call a raise with 97o against aggro kid or unknown of youthful age is either torching chips or the old plan of flop a pair and call down for dear life and hope it’s good I guess. (in before someone claims GTO says you should shove some % of the time to balance your range and I’ll just respond with “you’re a total fish”)
I mean you can limp call 97o but opponent would have to be one of those weak passive will stab but give up easily when caught types. Maybe he sees a shit ton of them idk b/c I think that advice is bad.
A much better line if you think they’re FOS at that stack depth would be to flat pf and crai on most flops.
$100 tournament. MP limps. CO limps. I shove in the SB for about 9BB with A5o. Folded to the last limper, who calls somewhat reluctantly with a pained look on his face. I river an ace to suck out against his TT. (Limp/calling pre with TT is not unusual for this player pool, a local-heavy field who know me and respect my raises much more than the players in some random event far from home where no one knows me.) I’m fine with shoving, although it’s possible I should consider just folding.
Anyways, my real question is…what’s the shortest stack where we should have a limping range in that spot? And what hands should we be limping with that stack? Assume BB only raises for value if I call.
I’d prob limp with TJ, T9, 9J, QJ, QT, KT, KJ, KQ (maybe, might push), 66-22. I’d push with 77-JJ, and probably AT or better. Maybe raise 4x with AA-QQ.
You probably have about the shortest stack you can limp with. If there are antes your M is less than 5. Ideally you should be looking to raise and not get called (not that it’s in your control), but you need to double up and you’ve got like 1 orbit to pick up a better hand.
So you’re folding A5o there? If so, how short would you have to be to shove with it? I have enough chips and the sort of table image where I think I am getting hands like 55 and AT to limp/fold. Barely enough, so I agree that I am probably close to the shortest stack where limping is a possibility.
I’m not entirely sure what ranges I should be assigning to limpers in these spots and how much of their ranges they are calling a shove with.
Those ranges are insane. I’m shoving with all the two Broadway hands and pairs and my limping range is vastly wider, not going to attempt to map one out but pretty much any hand which looks vaguely plausible, something around two thirds of hands at a guess. When this shortstacked, RIO isn’t really a concern and you’re left with the brute fact of getting laid 7 to 1. The assumption that BB doesn’t raise light is a big plus since it’s a dead loss of half a bb when he does.
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I’m pretty sure I fold A5 but I may push with like A8 if that low. The problem is what when you are called, half the time you are dominated by like A10-AJ or 55-88, and I hate to go out of a tourney losing on a hand that’s dominated. Then again, you probably have good fold equity vs Ax-AT, maybe 55, so the push is probably an ok move. But mainly it’s just a tough move in desperate situation.
I was thinking he’s in cutoff, not SB. I’d probably limp with a fair amount of junk in SB.
I’d shove almost any two in that spot and be tilted at getting shown TT by the last guy.
I completely disagree with this, there’s no reason to put anyone in their place and most of this comes from ego. Just let it be.
Wow just noticed there’s a poker forum here lol
I’d have bet smaller on this flop like 1/4 pot’ish. As played, it’s a fold unless BB is extremely bluffy. There’s little reason to bet +80% pot and then fold imo
The guy from hand 3 just called a shove and flatcall from the PFR with A2o on a AJT board. His gold star over his head just dissolved like in a video game.
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Doesn’t matter as long as we get some shoe pics.
With 9BBs I’m jamming A5 there all day, maybe exercising some caution if there’s a really big stack that I suspect might call light. The average bad player is folding a lot of stuff that you want them to fold (better Aces, small pockets) but yet might call with 2 face cards because they love those hands. I also just really like shoving into dead money, maybe this is a little light.
5 ppl in a raised pot at 400/800-800a
Flop J43 rainbow. Hyper aggressive guy bets 1/3 pot - everyone calls
Turn 9 - he minbets - 2 of them fold ?
River 2 - checks - he wins with A4
How is that even possible? What the hell are they calling the flop with? And what was worth calling the flop that wasn’t worth calling the turn? Argh!
I’m in that fun run bad where a get a healthy stack and then lose every showdown near the bubble and slowly bleed out.
You need to get your lucky footwear on dude.
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