I only call with hands like that a fraction of the time.
I really am the tightest player at the table almost always and I really am the kind of player who people complain about being too tight, but I’m also not as tight as they think I am. I make some very conspicuous folds like in the big blind to a min-raise or on the button in a limped pot when other players play almost any four cards.
3B 67 off in the BB? Some wizards up in there
no it was a multiway limped pot and i raised flop and he 3 bet. this is a very weak/tight home game full of whales, people only very rarely raise, I limp quite a bit more than pure GTO would probably recommend. normally I wouldn’t even limp a hand like A2o this multiway, and before I called I even remember thinking “this is kind of a shitty multiway hand, but hey, you have an ace and position, fuck it”
Unless you’ve got NBZ reads I think folding is the worst line here. There is a lot of information to be gained on the turn and you’re in position. See what happens. This is only a fold when you’re up against the exact two hands you describe.
I don’t understand what I want to see on turn? A club I am not happy if someone ships in front of me. I guess a 10 but I’m obviously scared of a set.
Given action I couldn’t see how I wasn’t up against a better made hand and a better draw.
that’s exactly why i just jam it and smh. anything else feels terrible. that’s the exact flop you hope to hit with that hand.
Sure but the action matters. With the click back CR and cold call I’m not just saying “best flop for me, yolo!”
Well it’s a combination of hitting a 9 10 or club but also seeing what the other players do. You can still find a fold in the face of aggression, but there’s a ton of value to be had if they start check calling. This is what live reads are for. Live players are predictable.
I don’t see how? Where is my value coming from? I’m hoping someone has a worse 10? Literally only 108suited is in their range.
I’m not saying that. But go check your equity vs even the strongest ranges you can think of against your opponents, you’d be surprised how much you have. You’re only truly crushed against the exact hands you were up against. if V2 doesn’t come along with a better flush draw, which i think we can pretty much deduce his range consists a lot of when he flats there, you’re doin great.
at least the jam has a chance of folding out better fd’s and you get your equity.
Value? You don’t think if you improve on the turn and get checked to, you can’t find value? There’s a ton of hands that you beat that will call turn and maybe tilt call river.
Interesting had at least. Three of us all arguing different line in best. 
I overplay my draws, so of course I’m advocating that line, but seriously, it’s the only one in which you end up winning that hand against the hands your opponents had
it’s a pretty interesting hand.
I used to overplay my draws and not doing that has helped my win rate immensely
I feel like if there’s any lesson to be had from modern poker theory, it’s best to continually re-evaluate hands on a street by street basis, especially in position. Just auto shoving in this spot just gets you called by hands you’re crushed by.
alright I got a good one me and my friend howard have been arguing about
howard is a solid rec that went deep in ME and I’d consider a good player. he knows my tendencies well and I believe perceives me as spewy (this isn’t far-fetched, I am very spewy in certain spots).
we like to needle each other’s game and there had been a fair amount of shit talking via text before this particular hand. I’m giving the backstory here to explain my line and why I think it was ok - I’m just not sure on one particular decision.
he also knows I often raise/fold more than I should. in the past I have been busted from this same game because I range cap opponents that like to limp monsters and trap me. it works REALLY well against me.
anyway, that all said, the other night he’d been mocking me for limping and flatting preflop. This is a really weak/tight game so I get away with it. He likes to exploit this by squeezing and 3/4 betting preflop super wide. I wanted to exploit this.
I have 88 UTG +1. it’s early in the tournament and everyone is 100-200 bb effective stacks. Me and howard were about 100ish.
UTG minraises. I flat. few flats behind me, as is typical. Howard is in the BB and makes it 5x the minraise. UTG flats.
I raise slightly more than minimum. had about 60 bb’s behind me. Here is where I am not sure. I tanked a bit before doing this - I wanted to jam over the top, knowing he’s got a super wide jamming range here, but felt tricky and a bit miffed that he’d been mocking my flats, so I thought if I raised small it’d induce a lot of jams from him and that if he turbo shoved that I’d call. Jamming 60 bb’s over his bet seemed way too much too. So, i raised small and that’s exactly what he did. less than 1 second of deliberation before shoving all in. I snap called.
Not gonna tell you what he had yet. Thoughts?
Unless you really think he’s just trying to steal this seems like a pretty easy flat call and play the flop. I’d guess you’re overestimating the personal dynamics
yea it is FPS, but, he thinks my call was awful, that’s the real dispute.
it’s a snap call for me partly because of a timing tell, I think if he has AA/KK/QQ here, lots of times he flats and plays a flop, and I think he pauses at least several seconds before jamming with those because I’ve seen him do that a few times before.
But you didn’t call…?
oh i snap called it which is why we’re arguing about it.
I wanted to raise because UTG range is pretty strong but I think would fold almost everything but monsters to a 4 bet from me and I wanted to be HU against howard in position with this hand against his squeeze range
I’m not convinced raising flop is the best play against this particular player pool.