I usually rip it here because fuck it, but I feel like V1 never folds and I don’t love it. If you really think you have no fold equity it’s fine to just call and see what happens on the turn.
I get what you are saying it’s a big pot relative to the blinds. But when the straddle is on the straddle becomes the big blind. So in this hand we are 115 deep. At least that’s how I see it.
I’m going to mix it up with a wider range then then premiums I’m just not going to try and bluff call stations. I mean it’s 1/3 and it’s kind of senseless discussion because the range of players at 1/3 goes from guys that can’t fold middle pair and gut shots to players who won’t call a single big bets with less then top 2. Without spefic players reads its hard to lay out a superior strategy.
Happens all the time. Helps with straddles obviously but idk the nitty games you and Bruce seem to play in, I’d rather not play at all vs games that rarely see money get in.
Games are plenty good, just a different kind. Most people are relatively competent pre and on the flop. People making egregious preflop mistakes constantly or stacking 200+ bbs in limped pots? Those types of tables appear like, 1 in 3, 1 in 4 sessions maybe?
Maybe I need to move to Calgary.
I wouldn’t say the games I play in are nitty. My local player pool is a combination of loose-passive and tight-passive players. Almost no one 3bets pre without premiums and they sometimes don’t 3bet, but they will be the first raiser sometimes, so it’s not a limpfest, although there are some limped pots. Players will also sometimes limp-call pre with AK or JJ.
They call down with hands they shouldn’t, but also take pot control lines vs scare cards and slowplay too much, so you can bet an overpair for three streets and get shown a flopped two pair that was afraid to play a big pot against a possible set.
How comfortable are you playing in a game where you are often playing a four-way single raised pot.
If you play in a big enough population centre or travel enough you’ll play against every type of player, but I just dont get not trying to play in great games when they are out there. Just watch any vlog from any pros in florida/Texas.
I’m super comfortable playing multiway routinely. Have to get used to that when for years pre pandemic live PLO was paying the bills.
Anyways, my first thought in this is to ask, if I just call, on what turn cards do I expect V1 to bet and how much. This, of course, is very read-dependent and requires going over how they have played other hands. If I have no history with this player, I probably just call.
There’s just something about my demeanor at the table, I think. I’ve had games that start out like those Texas/Florida games, but tighten up after an hour.
table talk a bit killjoyish?
I’m not entirely sure. I think I’m a friendly guy. Loose-passive fish who are there to lose slowly while having a social experience seem to like me because I talk to them. More importantly, I listen to them. On the other hand, LAGs who are there to use poker as a way to assert dominance generally hate me because I don’t enable their egos and force them to be careful.
I never berate players. I don’t react to beats. I don’t celebrate wins. I do call out players who are abusive or angle-shooters and I don’t care if doing so costs me money. They can say whatever they want to me, but I won’t tolerate abuse towards anyone else, especially dealers. I’m the guy who knows a!l the rules and usually knows the pot in PLO.
I don’t talk about strategy of the game I am playing, but I do sometime act as a mixed game evangelist and give some basics of how to play other games if they ask. I admit to going on poker vacations and like conversations about other poker rooms. I’m not capable of pretending to be dumb. It’s super obvious that I’m a thinking player. Still, I’ve never uttered the word “equity” at the table even when other players do.
Talking poker is the nut worst table talk. Closely followed by politics.
Pro move is discuss sports. It’s just so much easier than the table devolving into some argument/poker lingo.
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Agreed. I’d never come across as a pro anyway but yah talking poker seems like a clear sign for people to nit it up around you. An argument could be made that fish may want to beat the obvious reg so may loosen vs them but I’ve never really encountered this personality type in any live game I’ve played.
I like other players talking strategy, so long as they aren’t criticizing other players, because they tell me exactly how they play and I can build a psychological model to predict their behavior. I can participate without giving away anything meaningful.
I can’t do casual fan discussions of sports. You’re probably going to come away with the impression that I’m a nerdy analytics guy and assume I think the same way about poker.
I encourage my opponents to talk about what they want to talk about because it usually gives me clues about how they think about poker.
I’m not extroverted, but I can fake being social enough that I might be the kind of player being talked about here:
https://twitter.com/nickhowardpoker/status/1550329823104569344?s=20&t=Rs2qRrMaeR6Mu2RG9J6yiw
Delusional.
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I folded the flop. V1 had middle set and V2 had nut flush draw which missed.
I think calling is the worst option. Feels like rip or fold.
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I’ve seen quite a few LAGs get mad at being check-called to death.
Delusional.
I’m pretty sure my recollection of players swearing at me and telling me I should bet my hand or that slow-playing isn’t real poker is not a delusion. I’m pretty sure my recollection of players yelling at me for check-raising is not a delusion. I’m pretty sure my recollection of players racking up and storming off because they are tired of losing to me is not a delusion. I’m pretty sure my recollection of players being obviously frustrated because someone they had pegged as a weak-tight nit made a hero call with a hand that can only beat a bluff is not a delusion.
This is not a weekly or even monthly occurrence, but it happens now and again.
I don’t ever berate weak passive plo regs.
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I think my favorite NBZ hh was like 2 posts after stating how tight he was with starting hand selection. “I called pre OOP with A234ss.”