I’m sure it’s been said above but I’m lazy so what are your normal stakes/games? Always in casino or home games?
Casino. NL up to 2/5. PLO up to 5/5.
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1/3 live NLHE while waiting for plo seat
I’m on button and I put on $6 straddle, effective stack is me of $680
Both blinds fold, 3 limpers to me, I make it $25 with 9c10c
V1 utg calls, MP folds, V2 MP +1 calls.
Flop is 10d5c6c
Check check to me I bet $35
V1 who was utg raises to $90, v2 cold call!
Hero?
I probably just fold. It’s likely we’re against a better draw and a better made hand, and at 1/3 they’re not folding either one.
Some of us have read your PLO HHs
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I’d call and draw in position. It gets icky if we hit our flush and one of them wants to stack off, but I’d probably do it anyway.
I’d rip it. Drawing sucks when they won’t fold when you hit and you’re lost. You straddled, don’t get weak on me now.
It’s 1/3 they’ll have JJ sometimes too.
Folding is totally viable as part of a cohesive asymmetric reward style but I don’t think you play that way.
If you call the pot is ~325. If a club comes and some one wants to stack off 10 high flush is never good. Just fold.
Unless the game has been playing real nitty. I check my option in position pre and keep the pot to stack ratio as a high as I can. One one hand 10-9 suited looks nice but its still a bluff and if no one is folding. So why not play a great drawing hand as cheap as possible and get opponents to make bigger mistakes post flop?
bluff value = equity + equity of what you fold out
Gotta bet when it’s checked to you here, precisely because it’s such a good bet.
I like it better as a three bet squeeze if there is a raise and a call before our action. But its 1/3 and once they put 6$ dollars in they are not folding unless you make it like 40 or 50.
I think you’re underestimating the value of folding out KQ, KJ, AJ, AQ, etc or even the combination of Ax and Kx between the two players. There’s a lot of value in folding out out the air with a simple cbet.
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I usually check pre in this situation, but if I raise pre, I raise the same amount I would raise with AA.
I’m never folding the flop as played. I raise if I’m willing to play for stacks and call if I don’t. This is, of course, a read-dependent question.
It sounds like he’s talking about checking preflop and you think he’s talking about not checking behind on the flop.
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Im looking at it as a value calculation. Do we make more money by c betting flops and winnig smallish pots in a high rake environment. Or do we make more money taking flops with cards that cna have a nut advantage in high pot to stack ratio.
Maybe I am underestimating fold equity post flop. But my experience with 1/3 no limit is trying to make profitable plays by bluffing lose passive 1/3 players is really hard to do. Of course it will always be player dependent as will all decisions at 1/3
Its a tough spot. Folding does seem nitty. Just looking at the board if two of us have a flush draw are draw is good <10%. Ideally a shove would get a better 10 to fold and the flush draw to call and then brick a club and the over.
Stacking people at 1/3 200bb deep is hard unless the table is pretty terrible. It’s nearly impossible in a limped pot.
Not inflating pots in position with high visibility hands and churning 20-40 bb wins without showdown is a way to get beat by rake in that environment.
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yea i fuckin turbo shove
you have insane equity even vs sets, v2 is dead money
I disagree. You win by stacking off with premiums because they never fold. With the straddle on we are only 115 big blinds deep.
You are 115 bb deep effective in this hand and 230 bb deep at the same time my dude.
Stacking only premiums is a recipe for winning 5-7 bb/hr. If you’re not churning non sd pots in position it’s gonna be a rough ride variance wise too.
If vi calls and v2 folds we only need around 35% to be profitable. If v2 calls we need less but we also might have a lot less. Calling seems much better.
I meant getting it in is better with fold equity of course