I think of it like, how are the next two streets going to go? There’s a million turn and river cards you hate and will improve anything in villain’s range. In those spots I’m either jamming or folding and this is not close to a jam.
Oops, meant you should have four bet shoved with all hands you four bet with.
Obviously
Folding top pair is one of the skills I have, which is why I feel super-comfortable limping and embracing pots going multi-way. I know there are players who prefer to raise OTB over a couple of limpers with seemingly any two broadway cards. I generally never iso-raise.
97o hand is a big big punt.
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One of the reasons I don’t 3bet light very often as a non-shove in tournaments is that I don’t have a good feel for when I should call the 4bet shove.
In this blind vs blind spot, what do people think is a good calling range vs suzzer’s 4bet jam in this spot?
Doesn’t really make sense, if you feel like you have a big skill advantage then you should want the pot to be larger, within reason.
It’s weird. I feel like my skill advantage comes more into play when I don’t have the initiative in a hand. Creating a scenario where they auto-check to me as the raiser kills me.
I am also allergic to leveling wars.
Against an unknown of suzzer’s age, probably like AT+, KQ, 77+, but like Keed said you should probably just be shoving rather than threebetting to that size. In tournaments there’s an inherent bias against stacking off, it’s bad to stack off on a flip, you want to leverage that against your opponents and not have it leveraged against you.
Does that 3bet size create leverage against you if you are committed to calling any 4bet? It feels designed to put suzzer in a spot where he thinks he can only fold or shove while giving him enough chips behind so that he thinks he has fold equity with a light 4bet.
I realized this the last time I made a deep run in a tournament…I don’t know what a good 3bet sizing is when it’s not a shove. I’m mainly a cash game grinder and most of the tournaments I play, I never get a chance to be deep enough to where I can 3-bet with a lot of chips behind.
I have figured out that I present the sort of table image where I can probably 3bet smaller than other players to get the same number of folds.
If you’re against a known very aggressive player it might be right to 3bet and call any 4bet so you can get allin against very weak hands but against most players it’s bad to give them any illusion of fold equity.
Against some weak players who can be expected to call and play fit-or-fold on the flop with hands they should shove with, it might make sense to raise enough to fold out their weaker hands with equity, while leaving enough behind to push some of their hands off of an unfavorable flop when they would have called a preflop shove. It’d be the same idea as a stop and go, where you increase your chances of winning the pot without a showdown.
Just watched a guy call 35k on the turn then fold top 2 on the river with 10k behind getting like 50-1. I died inside.
I think the guy who folded is Paulie Walnuts
I don’t understand the 97 one. You’ve seen how bad people are. You’ve seen the spots you can get in. Just few reasons to ever punt in tournaments. If it’s a small buyin like that, even if you have a read that they are light…its $120, they might not give a shit and call off with K8 anyway.
Have a couple of $1ks this week, haven’t played two card in two months though. Finally held a 1000+bb hand for the first time in like a year the other night, felt nice to be up 4k within an hour of a 1/3 plo game.
I read this hand as “being a man” and fighting back to the raise, which is generally a bad idea, especially in blind vs blind. Even if the guy is on a stone cold bluff (maybe 25% max chance of that), you’re likely committed and 97 is in the bottom 1/3 of possible hands to be heads up with. A great flop is like a 7 with one over, in which case you have to push.
I was conjuring up the image of the old timey pocket pistol in the parlor or saloon but, just to be clear, I am not advocating shooting people with guns at live poker games.
Man this is really [censored] up. After losing this hand i went crazy. 1/2 NL Holdem. I get AA and raise 4x the BB, and some kids i dont know calls. Flop is K Q 4(rainbow. I check, he bets i ReRaise him like $40. He instantly goes all in with another $4o or so to me. I call, he shows Q 10(im happy)
Turn: J
River:9
I am pissed off. Then the Villian starts boasting about how good he played it an so forth. I reached out to shake his hand(i was just doing it to make him feel stupid). I said well at least I get to shake a real Pro Players hand.
I then walked over to my friends kitchen and grabbed a knife. Not too sharp to kill but it would hurt. I slowly walk up to him and stab him in on the left side of his stomach.
NExt thing COPS show up, after some douche calls 911. The cops come and they search everybody for weapons and drugs. They find Crystal Meth on one of my friends and they take me and him in to jail.
I didn’t call my parents, but my cousin did post my bail. I now have to stand trial, b/c the kid i stabbed is sueing me for Aggravated Assault. Wish me luck guys.
You should do a Norman Chad impersonation.
“He’s making that move with squadoosh!”
I’ve been trying to learn to play again, so I hit up del Lago in upstate NY every couple of weeks. Cheap rooms–it definitely helps my state of mind to be able to get up and relax and come back, as needed.
Got it in on the turn v two players on a 569Q board but the river pairs the board so I just flip it up cause I KNOW I’m beat. The guy looks at my hand and goes, “oh, shit, a straight? Not what I thought you had …” and I let myself feel a fleeting glimpse of hope before he flips over 99.
I was in for $500 and up a little, that pot was probably $1300. Oof. …
Games are very good, though often not a ton of traffic. I went upstairs and slept for a few hours, came back down around 4 a.m. and played three-handed a while. Made a few hands, won $200.
There is nothing to eat in the casino right now but one place serving lukewarm pizza and I’m pretty sure that’s just because state law says they have to if they serve booze.
You guys understand that I 4-bet shoved right? I was never calling the reraise. It’s either fold or shove.
I understand that 97o is a crap hand. But if you have someone like that to you left it can make your life hell waiting for a good enough hand to go to war with. Before that dude sat down I had been chipping up quite nicely as the rest of the table was super soft and tight. Once that hand goes down he’s probably going to be flatting or 3-betting me in position a lot. That’s kind of what was going through my mind anyway.
Maybe it was because the same thing happened to me the night before and for like 2 hours I couldn’t get a good enough hand to do anything about the guy two to my left who was obviously 3-betting everything light.
I mean I feel like I read the hand fairly well right down to the K8o snapcall. That was just weird by him as he had zero reads on me and I don’t think I’ve ever 4-bet that light in BvB in one of these.