Hand 3 was interesting because it’s the first time I’ve ever been thin value bet at these that I know of. I mean it happens but I think it’s more like just “I have a piece, I bet” and they aren’t really sure if they’re value betting or trying to get me off the best hand. This guy legitimately sized up that I didn’t have an ace (I think) and took me to value town.
I put a big gold star over his head. I’ll be watching you buddy - just like that other guy who mentioned ICM one time. Sharks.
I’ve resigned myself to the idea that proper tournament play should leave you worried that you are perceived as weak-tight. On the other hand, a weak-tight, nut-peddling strategy is close to correct in a cash game where players are way too loose preflop and you have a lot of multi-way pots.
With hand 3 the sizing is the most salient thing imo, it’s so rare for people to run a river bluff for less than half pot in my experience, rarer than it is for them to thin value bet. One of my maxims at low stakes is that the sizing is frequently them telling you what they want you to do. Hand 2 is a more plausible bluff sizing but in that one there are other problems with putting him on a bluff (two opponents, one of them a calling station).
You’re miles too shallow to be flatting here imo, I’d just shove assuming that minraising has been common. You’re chip leader, bully villain. OTF I think check-fold is a bit better but trying a bluff isn’t super unreasonable, depends a lot on your image though as x/r is actually kind of an implausible way to play a T in this spot (you’d typically x/c).
Well if he has those things you definitely want to be shoving, decent amount of stuff in there he’ll fold. Also as a medium to big stack you don’t want to be inducing shoves from small stacks, you want to steal their blinds. If I thought he was trying to bait small stacks then I’d have him on a stronger range.
As chip leader, bullying medium stacks is a top priority, but obviously it’s not great to run into AA, so it depends how you range him for the minraise. The threat to him of getting it allin is bigger than it is for you, so you generally want to be leveraging that.
I raise or fold river in hand 1, could be bluffing with better than our hand. Also they can’t snap call unless it’s hurr durr I have a flush hurr durr thinking process. Which I admit for low stakes live they probably will.
Hand 2 is fishy as **** but bets like that out of nowhere tend to be more of the value side, that said, I don’t mind your call if you’ve noticed like I have with your posted hands, I haven’t seen a value sizing like that yet.
Harder to pull off live, but I’m raising river as a bluff in hand 3. That’s a I don’t have much but nobody ever bluffs me value bet wager. He never has an 8 or a boat. c/r turn is suicide against many as a double barrel for many players live is saying “I’ve got at least an A peaches”, also a brick hit and he still checks, so it’s unlikely to be an A and it’s really hard for him to have an 8 and impossible (well not impossible but <1%) to still check that turn with a flopped set. TT does make sense, you didn’t bet river yourself so you probably don’t have an ace–ie, what a lot of live donks would’ve done.
This seems like it’s advocating violence but tbh in live you REALLY need to put live douchey regs in their place. Helping others play a hand is not a behavior I tolerate in my games and I will loudly and Forcefully complain about it until it stops.
I remember one guy was doing this (it honestly felt like full on collusion) and when the floor wouldnt do anything I started narrating every hand the guy played, what I thought his range was, etc etc. never seen anyone get so pissed off. I will probably get stabbed eventually
Last night at Commerce I got moved to a new table and tsaw an Asian kid with a Stones Live card protector. So of course I wanted to talk about Postle and he’s like “I don’t know what you’re talking about” in a very obvious way. Ok then.
Then a bit later I notice he has freaking Stones Live on his hoodie. I called him on it and said “You don’t have to pretend, it’s just a $120 tourney.” To my surprise he then opened up that he knew Postle and was normal after that.
He also had a very obvious strategy of 3-betting light over any non-nit. Pissed me off because I knew what he was doing but couldn’t get any kind of remotely reasonable hand to nail him with. He finally got busted by a woman who looked like a super serious young hotshot - but had called the PFR and then tank-called Stones guy’s 3-bet shove with AK. He had K5s.
I was like are you people not paying attention to what this guy is doing? I almost said fuck it and called his 3-bet shove with 45s closing the action and a ton of dead money. I wish I would have - I had 15bbs and was going nowhere.
standard considering any 7/Q/J/6/9/8/A/diamond and even if you thought maybe you had the best hand you either are pretty sure you don’t or have no idea. Not many K’s or T’s left in that deck.
Yeah not even considering calling there, mucking top pairs OTF is a skill you must master at low stakes. More common when OOP, but also even IP on gross boards like this multiway.
Thing is, your best case scenario is not very good - that is, even when KT is the best hand, your equity probably isn’t that impressive - and your worst case scenario is that you are drawing close to dead, and that isn’t even that unlikely.
A couple hands from the HP $140 tonight, including one of the weirder hands I’ve played.
Hand #1
Blinds 1000/2000-2000a, I have AJhh in BB and 70k chips behind, UTG folds, UTG+1 limps, UTG+2 calls, LJ calls, HJ shoves for 16.5k, CO flats - has about 27k behind, button folds, SB folds.
Hero? Just call and try to flop well seems about all I can do here.
Hand #2
Next hand, folds to me in SB w/97o. I make it 4500, BB - young serious-looking kid who just moved to the table - quickly makes it 15k. Should I do it and shove?
Hand 1: Any info on CO and the game in general? Sort of reeks of a trap for CO to flat there but maybe people just do this sort of thing on the reg? If I’m playing the hand at all, then it means I don’t seriously suspect CO of trapping, which means I should have the advantage, and future action on the flop is unlikely to be good for me. What I mean by that is that if the flop is Axx they will typically check fold losing little equity, whereas if I’m made to fold OTF I will typically be folding significant equity. So I’m definitely either folding or shoving here.
Hand 2: God no, no thanks, not against an unknown. Take the L and move on. Did he call with a worse hand or something?
Hand #1 - I called, had to fold flop when CO shoved. Wound up 4 way all in - CO had 99. He wasn’t folding pre - which was my thinking. I wasn’t really nuts about 5-way all in. Reads are everyone is terrible unless otherwise noted. Flop was Qh6d2s. Other two all-ins had A6 and A2. Shorty who originally shoved had 44.
Hand #2 - I shoved, got snapcalled by K8o. My read was right he was 3-betting light. Obviously I didn’t expect to get snapped by that. If I don’t get snapped I should be in a good spot to be the table captain again for a while - which was working really well before the new players showed up when a table broke.
BB needs to just shove preflop to your raise if he’s four (edit:five) bet shoving with k8o. Open raising with 35 blinds puts you in such a terrible spot. You can get owned with loose shoves if you’re open raising garbage like that. Open limping all your hands is better. Having a mixed limp/raise strategy is also probably good.
Anyway as played if you three (edit: four) bet for god’s sake just shove. And 97o? Why that hand? Wouldn’t 97s be better? 98s? T8s? It’s fine to bluff here but don’t do it with offsuit one gappers when you have suited one gappers and suited connectors in your range.
