Correct and correct. It’s starting to spread to Philly. Bad players love it consciously cause they feel like they get more good hands since they don’t realize some hands are junk. They probably don’t realize consciously that equities run closer together, but as a result they win more often.
They play 5 card hi/lo around here (ok/tx), but I have no interest in it. Feel like for high, playing any hands for a raise that aren’t super correlated / straighted with 2 suits is a huge leak. But it’s $200 buy in live so w/e. Always better to be too tight re: hand selection in these games than too loose.
Big O/Congress is a great game for taking money from players who just want to gamble.
Split-pot games, in general, seem to fit how my mind works.
JxJy9x9y4x is a junk hand
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So fold pre regardless of position? Playable on the button?
I assume we’d be ok to play it if the 4 was like an 8 or higher and gave some additional connectivity?
Hand doesn’t make many nut flushes or straight. Seems important for 5 card.
Right. I think in a reasonably tough game the value of those sets is way diminished but at 1/2 where I expect people to people play any pair and not fold a small set on a dry board, the value of those pairs goes up.
But my expectation could be way off. I know that we want to play two pair hands like 77+ with connectivity, and pretty much any AA and most KK even if the rest of the hand is dusty. But the non-premium non-dust QQ/JJ is where I don’t know.
You probably underestimate the ability of bad PLO regs to fold small sets. I think I make more money from people chasing with a weak hand like OESD and a non-nut flush draw than calling with an under set.
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Yeah that’s a good point. They probably only need to get set under setted so many times before they figure it out.
I left in 2011 and forgot to go back.
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From MP, JJ994 dbl trpl suited is a GTO fold. -0.17bb/100 EV, which probably makes it a raise at a weaker table though.
On the button it bumps up to +0.29 EV if opened. Thing is though, it’s an ok-ish hand HU, but becomes bad multi-way. 5-way in PLO5, nuttiness becomes huge and you have no nut suits, little high card strength, difficulty making a straight, etc.
On the T73 flop with a couple to act after, I’d expect a better FD to be out (which kills our hand) and fold.
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Ended up +2k after giving some back late. Always feel some winners guilt in the reg heavy PLO games when I’m up 5+ buyins.
Big hand was hitting the river with a336cchh on 91052cchh 3 way. Other players had 89QJcc and 6610Qcc.
Other 3 way all in I had KJQ6cc vs idk on J85KJcc runout.
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I feel like people lose more money on non-nut flushes than any other hand in 5 card PLO.
True for all plo I think.
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Be social and fun to have in the game, win or lose, and no one will ever care seeing you leave up a big winner.
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One of my local casinos just allowed match the stack so I’m playing in an afternoon 1-3 game right now with the minimum stack being like 1300. It’s glorious.
Oil at over $100 and match the stack should make this a pretty insane game.
For sure, that’s why I got invited despite there being a large skill gap. I had hundreds to thousands of hours with everyone there last night, but navigating double board bomb pots for the first time was interesting.
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I think what some people don’t get about PLO is that your opponents playing wider ranges doesn’t mean you can open up and play more hands when pots are contested massively multi-way. Nut advantage matters more than range advantage.
I’m almost always the tightest player at my table and I play too many hands. My questionable hands are usually in late position at a limpy table, which I generally do well at. I’m on lockdown preflop those rare times I find myself in a game where 3betting pre is the norm.
Whoa there are multiway preflop solvers for 5 card PLO?
That’s a great point, thanks!
Ok, that makes sense. Thanks!
I know Monker Solver can do 5 card PLO as well as omaha hi low.