I’ve played in 4 provinces, 5 states and every major Vegas casino and so, so rarely see PLO games like this.
Like, those games kind of exist when people fold preflop, but you also describe 5+ people to a flop routinely. I absolutely do not believe in live low stakes PLO people are limping pairs then folding sets on the flop without betting going crazy/the board being way too dynamic.
So this.
I’ve played in 5 provinces, 7 states, several European countries, South America and Australia and don’t think I’ve ever played in these games Bruce seems to find everywhere he goes.
It literally happens every single day I play. Every single one.
Last weekend two people stacked off in the same hand with the same bottom two!
My main game is pretty passive and limpy, by far the most passive of the 30-some rooms I’ve played in. They are loose but not aggressive and raises are almost always the nuts postflop. Some players check-call flop and turn with middle set and evaluate on the end, so you can value-own yourself if too aggressive. It is very atypical, I admit. It’s possible to go a down without a hand that is raised pre.
There are times when I do see aggressive players in my game. I do game with them. I will get it in for 200bb pre with ten high if I can squeeze enough players and have dead money in the middle. If there aren’t at least two if them to rock and roll with each other, they tend to get picked off by players check-calling them to death.
Other games here and in other places can be a single raise postflop and no 3bets without AAxx from most of the table. That seems to be the most common configuration I see. I almost always limp in EP because if I raise, I don’t get reraised, but if I limp someone almost always puts in the raise for me, so I know who has a good hand. Hand reading is easier when the other player has initiative and has more options to choose from.
There are a few PLO games I’ve played in that are routinely 3bet pre, but I have been in them. In those games, I just tighten up immensely preflop, especially OOP, and dump all the slightly flawed hands, like rundowns with a top gap or big pairs with weakly coordinated side cards.
How bout this double board bomb pot:
My hand Kc 6c 6d 7s
I’m stuck in this game, kinda tipsy, $140 in the pot pre, $3500 effective
9d 3c 4s
7c 6s 2h
I check, mid position bets $100, two short stacks call, I pot it to $500 something, original raiser repots to $1700? Hero?! Fold? Ship it?!
This is a fold after you get reraised. I’m not sure I make the $500 either. You have second set on one board and nothing on the other and have to beat 4 people.
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what’s a double board bomb pot? just playing two boards of omaha with one hand?
A bomb pot is a hand where everyone puts in a certain amount of money before the flop and action starts on the flop with everyone in the pot.
Double board means you have two flops, each with their own turn and river. The pot is split between the winners of each board.
I know I probably didn’t play it well, but with the 7 blocker on my board and the gutterball + backdoor flush draw on the other I said fuck it and ripped it
He had k 9 9 2, top set, no backdoor flush draw or any outs on my board, so I got to free roll the 7k pot lol
I’m fine with getting it in there, you will be looking at 99 with a straight draw a lot, but with the top set blocker and a nut gutter with good backdoor clubs, you aren’t gonna fold and they’re never folding so just ship it.
Yea I think I ran pretty hot that he only had the bare set.
Of course I never scoop these, but it was a good sweat
You are getting in 700 bb here?
He could hit the case nine or running deuces on your board, so not quite a freeroll.
There’s 1340 dead when it gets back to you and you’re putting in another 3k each. He’s going to have 99 3x as much as 77 and your redraws are probably about even with his.
You need 40.8% equity, if he only has top sets, you have about 37.5% plus your additional equity on the top board and a quad draw when he has 77. It is also possible that he has something other than top set. Pretty sure you can pull another 3.3% out of that.
Since I brought up TMoP, I wanted to bring up something from that book that is relevant to PLO.
Example 7.2 is the rigid pot limit game, where only pot-sized bets are allowed (unless going all-in for less than pot.)
Player X has A 
A 
Player Y has 8 
7
The flop is 9 6 2
For small and medium stacks, Y tries to get it in on the flop, but for deeper stacks where X can have a significant money to bet on the turn, Y’s strategy is to just check and call. The general conclusion is that good draws in a deep-stacked game prefer to either get all the money in on the flop or to get as little money as possible in on the flop. Funneling in significant money with your draw while giving your opponent a chance to charge you a steep price on the turn is a mistake. If you have a strong made hand, then you can deny your opponent equity realization by waiting until the turn to bet big.
This has some obvious relevance to PLO, where big confrontations are often between the nuts and a strong draw with a lot of outs against the nuts. I think the perception by many players is that this is supposed to be an auto get it in situation, but I think the math suggests that maybe it isn’t and people can be too aggressive with the nuts in trying to charge draws.
Of course, this doesn’t matter as much in the games that clovis seems to play in, where people stack off light with made hands that are drawing dead against the nuts, but my PLO results got better when I stopped trying to always play big pots on the flop when I had something good. I wouldn’t call this pot control, but it is seeing the game as multi-street, where your actions are made with a plan for what you will do on future rounds of betting.
Oh, people obviously overplay a ton of hands in PLO. Most players do not understand board texture and which boards you should be getting in your nutted hands/strong draws vs flatting.
That said, the “all my games have 5+ people to the flop bit they will also fold a flopped set on J45r” seems very suspect. If that even is true, there is an obvious and easy adjustment to make.
Are there any sites America friendly with active micro/low stakes Omaha games? Half the time I sit at Bovada it’s already shorthanded or breaks up to shorthanded really fast.
Check fold? Really? Damn that feels weak
I took a high variance line on purpose, although I should probably not be playing bomb pots, deep, stuck, and buzzed heh
No gamble no future Clovis!
I will say I’ve been pleasantly surprised how often people get it AI with nuts on one board, deep stacked, with almost no equity on the opposing board
