You should sometimes just fold top pair in a multi-way pot facing a single bet, so sometimes any action is too much action.
Do you guys prefer to run it once or twice?
NL I barely care, PLO I go as many as possible.
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I prefer once, but I have the right image where people don’t want to lose a big pot against me because it will be hard to get it back, so I believe I have additional fold equity by doing so. I’ve been letting my opponents choose more recently and I don’t enjoy it. I also think it’s just better to create less work for dealers by running it once.
The problem is that you’re turning a strategy of playing good hands aggressively into a strategy of making hands then playing them aggressively. “Just cooler people” works sometimes, but with the pace of low stakes live NL it is very far from optimal.
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Who gives a fuck if it’s a leak. I go the casino to play (I haven’t been in two years because there is a pandemic)
People need to get over themselves and realize it’s ok to play for fun.
Once because I play more than enough hands to get close enough to the long run for me that it all evens out. Plus there’s the small chance that it makes people more likely to fold even when the have the odds to call with their draw or whatever in big pots if they know i only go once and they can’t handle the variance.
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2/5 plo live.
I have $2500 villian is other good player at table with $2k.
Fish is on mega tilt with $125 and puts in $25 blind oop before cards are dealt.
One caller before me. I call planning to repot when fish goes allin.
Villain behind me flats. Fish goes all in for $125. I repot for $550.
Then villain repots allin for $2k.
I have 6789ds.
Call or fold?
I assume you can only RIO?
Yes
My usual play in those spots is to always get it in for 100bb, at 500 I do not like it. I dont love the attempted isolation too much because it can backfire as it does here.
Once we’ve put in 100bb though we can’t fold. I’d be absolutely fine with it if other player had $500-1k, but we’re just basically hoping the random whale has a couple of their cards and not ours.
Obviously other villain should be good KK and AA heavy and some stuff like AJ10K dbl, which we’re mostly fine against but not a spot I love for nearly 5k pre.
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Ya the isolation is a really bad play with my hand. I claim temporary insanity!
Once villain goes all in I don’t see how I’m not at best a flip against his range with only $250 dead money in the pot and sometimes he has me 65/35 if he has my suits with his aces.
I folded and of course would have scoped against this aces.
Still made $1800 on the session though so not too bad.
I just decided there are too many good spots in this game to flip against the other good player for $5k.
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how can you fold now?
Yeah, attempted isolation was bad, fold was worse. As said, you’re just at the mercy of the other random cards. They have AA42 baduigi and other dude has like AK45 or something? You’re in heaven. You’re against AA89 with your suits and QJ67 or something? Ouch.
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Had a similar hand today at 1/2z where one villain had AAAK other had AK4x vs my 6789ss or whatever, obviously scoop.
If I could take out Tuesday’s session I’d be up 5 figures this week.
Grossest one today I even cashout to avoid the variance.
I have ~$350, bb $200 Co covers.
CO Opens I flat btj with Q9ss78dd.
Bb squeezes we both call.
Flop is 569ss, bb checks CO bets $29 I call. Bb again now pots, co repots I call obv.
bb has AJ75ss, CO has KK66ss. Get a clean runout and hold.
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It’s such an obvious spot to trap that I’d be wary of any good player who just calls initially.
I would never make that iso-raise with that hand but as played I call the jam. And I would have already decided that I was calling a shove before making it 550,
I will say, although it is bad I might raise/fold if this was one of those “this game is breaking after this pot” kind of hands.
FTR I do think the incentives for raising almost always outweigh the incentive to keep villains in with their J5o and “cooler” their TP-no-kicker. Where limping first-in has its place for me is when I’m nearly certain from observation that someone behind will raise for me.
EuroRounders
Michel (voiceover): “If you can’t find the boorish American hold’em player at the table within half an hour, you are the boorish American hold’em player.”
TITLE/CREDITS. This entire movie is in black and white, with subtitles.
Michel (voiceover): “This game is really scummy, and well above what I can afford to play. My entire bankroll is riding on this one session going well. This is Teddy CIA’s place, where they only play Pot Limit Omaha, the most sophisticated game in Europe.”
- Michel knocks on the window -
Teddy CIA: “You want poker, or whore?”
Michel: “Poker. Give me three stacks of high, elitist society.”
Michel: “I raise.”
Teddy CIA: “It’s a position raise. I call.”
- The flop comes 5-7-A, with two diamonds -
Michel: “I bet the pot.”
Teddy CIA: “I raise the pot.”
Michel: “I reraise the pot.”
Teddy CIA: “I reraise the pot.”
Michel: “Pot.”
Teddy CIA: “Pot.”
Michel: “Pot.”
Teddy CIA: “Pot.”
Michel: “Pot.”
Teddy CIA: “Pot.”
Michel (voiceover): “I sit back and think. I have three aces - the best possible hand. I want him to think I’m debating a call, but really I’m just thinking about Monte Carlo, and whatever the [censored] is in Monte Carlo.”
Michel: shrugs “Okay, well, I re-pot it, I’m all in, because I don’t think you have a pair.” winks at the camera
Teddy CIA: “Who are you winking at? It doesn’t matter, I call.”
Michel (voiceover): “I know before he even says it.”
Teddy CIA: “I have 8-6-4-3 with two diamonds, for a wrap straight draw and a flush draw, which is a favorite over your top set.”
-
Turn is a King. River is a 2 which gives Teddy CIA an ace-to-five straight for the win. -
-
Michel sits there, shell-shocked. -
Joey Croissant: “Come on, I’ll get you a whore.”
Michel (voiceover): “Well, that sucked. Since then, I’ve sworn off of poker and made my living as a roadside prostitute for boorish American tourists. Hopefully, I can pay my way through law school that way. I can always find games, though. I could turn this truck onto the road and be at the Taj in 19 and a half hours.”
Michel (voiceover): “I’m here to pick my friend Worm up from prison.”
- Worm walks out of prison -
Michel: “Worm! It’s wonderful to see you!”
- They kiss each other passionately on the mouth -
Michel: “How was prison?”
Worm: “I was brutally sodomized on a regular basis.”
Michel: “Look…Croissant, I never told you this, but about a year ago, I was playing poker at the Casino des Atlantes, and Marcel Luske walks in. He sits down at the 50/100 pot limit game. And, I mean, the whole place stops, right? Just watching this guy play. After a while there isn’t a ******ed European gambling game going, because everybody’s just, you know, watching this guy.”
- Joey Croissant nods -
Michel: “So you know what I did? I sat down.”
Joey Croissant: “No way, you need at least 300,000 euros to sit down at a game like that. Such bad financial management is typical of a boorish American!”
- Joey Croissant and Michel laugh for twenty-six minutes -
Michel: “Right, okay, but seriously, I played for an hour, doing nothing but folding. Then I won a huge pot.”
Joey Croissant: “Aces? Kings? Ace-King doublesuited? Suited aces? High connectors? Middle doublesuited connectors? Two big pair?”
Michel: “Rags.”
Joey Croissant: “That’s probably fine too, you’re only like a 48/52 dog.”
Michel: “I raised. And he came over the top of me, like I was a boorish American. I re-popped it. He potted it again. I think for like two seconds and then I re-pot it.”
Joey Croissant: “Jesus [censored] Christ, how much money did you have?”
Michel: “After I bet I would quietly slide my chips back toward my stack, nobody noticed. Anyway, he thinks for a while, looks at me, checks his cards again, and he mucks. I take it down. And then he looks at me and says, ‘I have to know. Did you have it?’ And I said, ‘I’m sorry Marcel, I can’t remember.’”
Joey Croissant: “Face!”
Michel: “I know, totally. Anyway, based on that one hand, I felt confident gambling for all the money I had, at one time.”
Law Professor: “I am a Jew.”
Michel: “I hate you.”
Teddy CIA: “We play, heads up, Pot Limit Omaha, 25 and 50 blinds, until one of us has it all?”
Michel: “Out of sheer curiosity, you realize you’re giving up like boat loads of equity by agreeing to gamble for money that’s effectively yours anyway, right? That you could just not let me play, and then kill me and take what I have?”
Teddy CIA: “I know, but I am a boorish American!”
- Michel and Teddy CIA laugh for seventy-two minutes -
Michel (voiceover): “I pick up Ace-Ace-Jack-Ten doublesuited.”
Michel: “I raise the pot.”
Teddy CIA: “Very aggressive. But, I reraise the pot.”
Michael (voiceover): “He’s representing Ace-Ace-King-King doublesuited, the only hand better than mine. I can’t call, and give him a chance to catch. I can only fold…if I believe him.”
Michel: “I reraise, I’m all in.”
Teddy CIA: “Take it down.”
- The flop reads 10-9-5, with two spades -
Michel: “Pot.”
Teddy CIA: “Pot.”
Michel: “Pot.”
Teddy CIA: “Pot.”
Michel: “Pot.”
Teddy CIA: “Pot.”
Michel: “Pot. I’m all in.”
Teddy CIA: “Alright, I call. What do you have?”
Michel: “Jack high flush draw and middle set.”
Teddy CIA: “Wrap, with a king high flush draw.”
Michel: “Boy, I sure hope my 5:4 edge holds up, otherwise I am going to die.”
- Turn is an off-suit 5, giving Michel an unbeatable hand. But the river is the ace of spades anyway, because it’s always the [censored] ace of spades. -
Teddy CIA: “He beat me. Pay that man his money. His silly, silly-looking European money.”
Cab Driver: “Where are you off to?”
Michel: “Monte Carlo.”
Cab Driver: “Good luck.”
Michel: “Shut the [censored] up.”
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I’m a boorish Canadian!
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