People need to stop ending topic titles with a period because it’s grammatically incorrect and it triggers me.
Yeah!
i was talking about the larger context, not quoting the video. if that wasn’t obvious, i apologize. but stop acting like you don’t understand what other people have complained about.
that report is so lol. it calls the police “heroic”, “honest”, and “law-abiding”. says police officers are “chosen”, selected kids for the riot control dodgeball based on “height and strength”. doing this essentially 2-3 weeks after a record number of protestors since Stalin’s repressions was arrested on a single day. a few days after a video of a cop went viral quitting the force because he didn’t want to do riot duty.
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At least you can just remove them on sight. It doesn’t do anything about the triggering, but it’s something.
This is similar to how in the USA there are military recruiters who visit school campuses. Sure, ostensibly the goal is to gain new additions to their work force, and there is not any overt intimidation of anyone. However, there is more to it than that. There is not only the normalization of the “work” that the organization does, but the elevation of it to being valorous.
I’d wager a lot of money that there isn’t equal time spent in the Russian schools interacting with & humanizing protesters, and allowing their perspective to be shared and promoted with the students.
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Aren’t people and Zara talking slightly at cross purposes. Her initial point was that this isn’t about the recent protests, and now she’s being told that actually the Russian state routinely employs this sort of propaganda. That was effectively her point, wasn’t it?
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Texted a friend in Austin. Response: Fucking republican c*********
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Ms. JordanIB and SIL-IB were packed up, car loaded, and were ready to try and get their 'rents over to a relative’s house…and the power came back on. Has been on for an hour so hopefully things will improve from here. At the very least, the house will have a chance to warm a bit before possibly cutting out again tonight.
Oh, and they probably wouldn’t have actually been able to take their parents anywhere. Roads are sheets of ice.
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here’s an actual quote by the director of the school.
“most likely it is our gadgets that are forming our understanding [sic opinion] that police only do crowd control at protests. the youths are learning about policemen, their organization. this is necessary to form a positive image of the policeman. Necessary.” last thing, is not an exclamation but a reinforcement of the point.
this is propaganda, and its goal is suppression of participation in protests. stop being dense, and calling both sides. the protesters in russia are peaceful right now. the police is not. if nothing else, this career fair is normalizing police violence, while at the same time brainwashing kids into signing up for the academy. because so few of them will get real opportunities throughout their lifetimes.
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Tacking onto what VFS just said…
Zara, I believe that we agree that in general, and consistently in the past, the Russian police have used Public Relations/Propaganda(PR/P) events at schools in order to gain prestige, credibility, and common ground with students. These PR/P events and such were done under the auspices of recruiting. You and I agree that the ancillary effects of these events go well beyond recruiting, including the objective of humanizing the police and elevating them onto a pedestal, as opposed to doing the same for fellow citizens who stand in opposition to the police. The police have been using these PR/P events while there were no Navalny-associated protests actively underway. I hope we agree that the previous PR/P events were laying the groundwork to counteract a future scenario when the police would be actively suppressing protests.
Now, today, there are protests going on, and the police are still engaged in the same PR/P that they have been doing all along. People are connecting the dots that this PR/P was done in the past because of the perceived future threat of protests, and it is being done today because of the perceived future threat and the current protests that are occurring. So, yes, zara, I agree with you that the PR/P has happened in the past, and will continue into the future, and would be happening today regardless of whether there were ongoing protests or not.
What is happening is that the link between police PR/P and their purpose beyond simply job recruiting could be perceived as more opaque in the past, but is much clearer today because of the protests currently taking place. So, linking the ongoing protests to the past police PR/P and the present police PR/P is a fair connection to be making.
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Er, yes? Especially in a country like Russia.
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I deleted it because I initially misunderstood the post I was responding to.
Not sure, I’ll check my temperature
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i didn’t insult you, i said you are being dense because you don’t see that humanizing police to an impressionable audience has the effect of suppression of dissent. it’s kinda like employing ‘back the blue’ to oppose ‘black lives matter’.
much like you, i used a weird construction and didn’t make myself clear, but i didn’t contradict myself. i didn’t mean “if nothing else”, but rather “even if you don’t see that”.
i mean, i find it offensive that young kids are essentially being recruited to be Junker-s in small cities like this, and trained to use riot shields and batons. in about 7 months there will be parliamentary elections, and very few people are going to believe that United Russia won’t have falsified yet another landslide victory. the underpants poisoner is getting ready for it, and groups of such kids will be brought to metropolitan areas where protests are occurring.
since you posted a link to that drivel, here’s the story of the cop who quit and tells the story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISeldrj-9oE
In Denmark do they have riot police visiting classrooms to drum up support for the police? If not is it because they never have staffing shortages?
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I don’t think their vision is as narrowly focused(intimidation) as what you are stating here. It goes beyond that to encouraging the public to view the police positively and the protesters negatively. To create a clearer route for people to one day more easily empathize with the police in riot gear instead of their fellow citizens who are being beaten by the police in riot gear.
I think that police PR & propaganda, it’s execution & purpose, is clearly understood by those that are in charge of implementing it. In Russia, in the USA, and every where else.
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Anybody have some photoshop skills? There’s a pretty good band of trolls that troll my deplorable state rep and I have an idea on how to contribute. I just don’t have the skills. He literally called himself the Hardin County hammer in a recent facebook post. So I’d like to transition that to the Hardin County ham. I’m imagining a side by side of him, and then him with a holiday ham photoshopped on for his head. I’d throw a little tip for your time if I end up using your work.
It’s not like someone has to do really deep thinking on it to be part of that.
“People are protesting police and that pisses me off.”
“We really need to teach kids that police are great and fun and are protecting us and we should support and not second guess them.”
That’s not complicated.
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