Very fine people
https://twitter.com/jaredlholt/status/1217914357591564288?s=21
For those who don’t know, the Fashion Show Mall is basically on the strip, across from the Wynn and north of Treasure Island.
Not an active shooter situation, according to the latest tweets. Looks like a fight turned into a shooting. That said, it sounds like the shooting was somewhat indiscriminate. Found this just from a random Twitter search for Fashion Show Mall.
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Dam… I’ve actually been in that mall too if its North of Treasure Island 
Well, I finally had to make the call to the wife and find out she was okay. She’s downtown Seattle this week for a conference and there was just a shooting there. She was walking to dinner only a few blocks from where it was happening. Suspect not detained yet.
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My train stop is one block from the shooting. I was on my way to catch it, got to the station they told me it was all closed. Went on twotter learned about the shooter, and that he was active. It was pretty chaotic outside. Ubers were $100. Being the cheap ass I am I swiftly sped walk to next station. I was afraid to run because I thought people might think I was involved somehow and shoot me. I tried to stay with a big group of people. Crazy to think about but I guess my thought process was that the more people the safer I would be, in an open gunfire situation. Made it to the next station which was open. On train home now.
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Yeeah. I just told my wife to catch an Uber from the restaurant back to her hotel.
Three shootings in 24 hours in downtown Seattle (of course one of those was police shooting some dude).
MOAR GUNZ!
And yeah, I guess the algorithms will save us?
I have seen the nexus of guns and capitalism, and it is an utter hellscape.
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I never really get the outrage over Uber surge pricing in situation like this. If they just cap the pricing, then fewer Ubers are gonna come and fewer people are going to get rides. I could see the argument for some sort of cap, but capping at 1x (as described in the article), seems like a ridiculous solution to this problem.
The idea that transporting individuals via taxis is going to do any significant good clearing an area in an active shooting situation is ridiculous.
That doesn’t really have anything to do with the point I’m making.
It’s very simple. If more people want taxis (even if that desire is not useful or rational) then capping the price is not going to help them.
I’m saying your point is pointless because trying to use taxis to flee an active shooting scene is dumb.
Allowing gouging of prices in an emergency is typical late stage capitalist bullshit that “disruptors” sweep under the carpet while pointing out how awful taxis are with their regulations and don’t regulate us we’re not taxis we’re part of the gig economy!
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I really don’t understand what is so difficult to understand…
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My point applies to all situations where people want more taxis. It’s not limited to active shooter situations. Ubers aren’t really going to help in active shooter situations. That’s obvious and doesn’t affect the general point.
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As I said earlier, I can see an argument for a cap, but the 1x cap that the article describes makes no sense. Even if we tried to regulate everything, I think optimal solution would involve some sort of increase to attract drivers to come. There has got to be some middle ground between “gouging” and cap at 1x.
I guess in retrospect I can see why this may be difficult for you. Aren’t you the one who couldn’t understand why stock market going from 1,000 to 2,000 was much more impressive than going from 10,000 to 11,000? If that basic concept eluded you, I’m not sure we have any hope here.
Disagree.
Let’s say you usually use public transit, and the stop is at 5th and Main. You’re at 1st and Main and the mass shooting is at 3rd and Main. You want to get out of the city for the day because of what’s going on, but you can’t use public transit, so you want to get an Uber/taxi, thus ride sharing apps can help clear the area within reason. They can’t do it alone, obviously.
Now, the problem here from a late stage capitalism is fucking all of us standpoint is that it’s literally fucking a lot of people. Like, we get this surge, right, and what happens?
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People trying to flee tragedy have to pay an arm and a leg.
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Presumably, a bunch of Uber and Lyft drivers head into a dangerous area for a price increase, I assume without warning. I assume Uber isn’t like, “Oh, by the way, you’re driving within 2 blocks of a mass shooting, good luck!”
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More passenger vehicles on the road potentially blocking the way for emergency vehicles trying to get into the area.
But, it makes Uber and Lyft a bunch of money and arguably helps people trying to flee the area. Realistically, law enforcement should work with ride sharing apps to create staging points to give people rides from a safe place that doesn’t impact emergency vehicles, and the ride sharing apps should then cap the surge pricing well within reason and alert drivers to the situation.
I think it hinges on what you mean by “help”. It helps in the sense that if you want to get out of the city, than the availability of ubers helps with that.
On the other hand, if by “help” you mean fewer people shot (which is what I thought Kerowo meant), then I can’t think of a mass shooting where increased uber availability would have seriously changed the body count. I’ll concede that it depends on the details of the shooting, and maybe it’s possible there is one that happened where it would have had a significant impact. It seems like if you’re anywhere within the shooter’s range,then standing on the street, staring at your phone, waiting for an uber might be a bad idea.
I agree. It could help if done properly, it could help clear the area once people get the all clear for sure. Like, I think if I was in that situation and trying to make a run for it seemed like my best option, I’d try to get an Uber like 3 blocks away, call it and start running and hope to time it properly. Definitely would not be standing around waiting.
But relying on the average person to think of that on their feet in that situation probably isn’t the best thing.
I maintain the best solution is some form of closing a radius, setting up an approved pickup point, blocking dropoffs in the area, and capping surge pricing within reason.
Alternatively, we could ban assault weapons and semi-automatic rifles, while limiting access to semi-automatic handguns and requiring psych exams annually, and see how all that works out.
With an active shooter and people fleeing anyone and everyone should open their door and offer a ride to anyone fleeing. Seems like common sense. Ubers coming into the area would be a lot worse.