I’m a work from home so I’m 100% home schooling my kids when we have them. I know it’s a huge pain in the ass, but there’s just no chance I’m letting our school system teach my kids anything. The curriculum is trash, the propaganda level is off the charts, and I’m not going to have them traumatized by this idiocy here.
My kids aren’t going to be factory workers so I really don’t understand why I would tolerate them spending K-12 learning how to be good little drones.
Sure, I agree.
I don’t want to derail this here, but as someone who was home schooled for a couple years, I would encourage you not to do it. Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss.
I was homeschooled until 5th grade so I’m well aware of the downsides. I just look at public/private schools now and my reaction is a great big yuck. I’m obviously planning to do the fully resourced version of homeschooling where we hire tutors for subjects I’m not actively good at and make sure they are adequately socialized.
Yeah, the social aspect was the part I was referring to. I think it’s just really hard to get the same level of socializing no matter what you do. You can’t replace a day-in day-out version, and the situations can be very different.
Nice to know what you think of us drones.
I went to college so I wouldn’t have to be a drone. I’m a drone with student loan debt.
I recall story a year or two ago, posted on the 2p2 L&O thread, about cops doing a “Shoot, Don’t Shoot” drill with volunteer citizens. It was supposed to be with blanks obv, but one cop shot a librarian with real ammo. Whoops. So I guess we have occasionally deadly drills to look forward to in schools now.
There’s also that youtube of a cop giving a gun safety lecture at some school. He’s holding an “unloaded” pistol when suddenly he shoots himself in the foot in front of the kids! He doesn’t even stop giving the lecture. As he’s limping around and lecturing on, he asks some lady to get him his other gun. She pulls out a gigantic gun to hand him and all the kids are like “noooo” lol.
I don’t think I directly called any of you drones… but I will say that I find trading 75%+ of the economic value you create for a steady paycheck to be a pretty suboptimal line. I definitely think that schools massively overvalue things like following instructions and massively undervalue things like critical/independent thinking.
If anyone here felt attacked when I called the intended product of public schools drones… I suspect that means you feel like you’re a drone. You can still change that.
I like my work for the most part (even when I’ve had jobs that are considered to be on the low end of society) and am not looking for advice on how not to be a drone.
It’s funny working a lot of jobs that are considered low status you get treated one of four ways. People who genuinely don’t look down on you. People who ignore you completely like you don’t exist. People who let their contempt shine. And people who fake respect. Really surprisingly most people fit into the first one imo.
Hey, no offense taken, fortunately we can read your posts and see what the product of home schooling is and give your declarations the weight they deserve. So it’s all good.
Sick burn.
You know who else looks down their noses at working class people on the basis of what they do for a living? Fox News pundits and Trump.
I got to admit, when I get the drones as customers they tip me a lot better like almost everytime, tell better jokes and often say Hi and goodbye with a genuine smile and tbh not 1 has ever phoned my company complaining that because they lost their phone in my car and are tracking it atm, I’ll lose my job IF I don’t return it straight away.
What kind of world is this where a home schooler looks down on public schools?
I think they are institutionalized child abuse? I spent seven years being traumatized by them lol. It was not a good time.
Is drones a reference from something else or is it boredsocial’s term?
It was something I said mainly as a criticism of our nations schools. I think their primary purpose is to brainwash people into being good factory employees… They do a very good job of teaching you to be on time, follow instructions, believe what you’re told without question, and generally conform. Everything else (including things like personal finance, critical thinking, and trade skills) they do much worse at.
I don’t look down on ‘working class people’ at all. In fact the word drone was used to convey my bitterness not only at my experiences in public schools, but also my bitterness about my experiences in my first ~10 years of adulthood where I was a relatively unvalued employee with no real leverage. That’s how I feel I was treated: as a drone. Meaning an utterly replaceable cog in a large machine to be used up and discarded as soon as it would save a nickel.
Let’s be clear: you can escape being a ‘drone’ in numerous ways and one of them is gaining skills valuable enough that they give you some measure of leverage over your employer… which allows you to capture a larger share of your own personal productivity. The other way is to become self employed as I have. I have enormous sympathy for people who are trapped in the drone role and I wish them all the enormous good fortune of either becoming their own boss or gaining such valuable skills that they are able to negotiate fair wages and treatment for themselves to the point where they are not being very obviously exploited.
That’s what I meant written out longform. If any of you feel offended by my use of the word drone I suspect that’s because you are being made to feel like a drone in your own lives and it pisses you off. I think that’s a good thing. You should be pissed. You’re probably getting screwed, and knowing that you’re getting screwed is the first step to stopping that from happening.
When I went to public school they taught me not to make generalizations based on a small sample size, there are about 132,000 public schools in the US, how many did you go to in order to reach your conclusion about brainwashing? What is the chance that you were, in fact, brainwashed by your homeschooling to hold that opinion?
I went to nine different public schools from fifth grade through graduation across three states and nine different school districts. Eighth grade was at a private school I got a scholarship to. I have about as much of a sample size as is possible for the time frame.
I can also point to the curriculum of basically every public school in the country to defend my assertion. This isn’t even an education thread. I’m done with this particular conversation.
You can pretend like my personal experiences hold no water if you want, but I’ve been on this earth for 34 years and my eyes are open. I’m one semester short (quit for a good job that turned into what I do now) of a degree in economics and I’ve studied pubic education in this country and others extensively.
You’re free to disagree with me, but I’m not going to just lay down and let you call me brainwashed.