‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens - Gun Violence in America

[CanadaMatt3004]

Terrible writing in a finale?

[JonnyA]

Florida teens who recorded drowning man will not be charged in his death | CNN

My recollection is that you only have a duty to help someone, if you were the one that put them in danger (or have some other duty to you). E.g. if I push you in a pool, I have a duty to try and save you, but if I see you drowning in the pool, I can just watch you drown.

[Melkerson]

@ChrisV

@Melkerson

So, where did the “subset” of what’s in a well-regulated militia get defined? It seems arbitrary that tanks are out, AR-15s are in. Is there a list of what’s OK and what isn’t? Where is it? How do we get more stuff on it?

In Heller the Court said they were going to uphold an individual right to bear arms for “traditionally lawful purposes”, so like self-defence, hunting, and so on, and that the protected weapons had to be suitable for their purpose. Therefore the DC ban on handguns and requirement that weapons be stored with a trigger-lock were unconstitutional, as they infringed on the ability to use guns for self-defence. Similarly, you can’t ban hunting rifles, since hunting is a traditionally lawful purpose to own a gun and you can’t hunt with a 9mm. There is no constitutional reason why assault rifles can’t be banned nationwide tomorrow.

The only reason Heller is controversial is that it asserts that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to bear arms. The rest of the decision is straightforward and sensible aside from that.

Thanks. This is more or less what I was looking for but I still feel like there is more to the story. Heller was in 2008. I assume owning a bazooka or whatever could still be outlawed pre-2008. What were we using to decide what arms people can and cannot own prior to Heller?

[Melkerson]

@JonnyA

https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/20/us/florida-teens-drowning-man/index.html

My recollection is that you only have a duty to help someone, if you were the one that put them in danger (or have some other duty to you). E.g. if I push you in a pool, I have a duty to try and save you, but if I see you drowning in the pool, I can just watch you drown.

Apparently not true wherever the Seinfeld finale took place.

[iron81]

Before Heller, the 2A was a dead letter and governments could and did ban everything except hunting rifles.

@clovis8

Norms. That’s it. Iron is acting like there is some obvious limit. There isn’t. It’s just norms.

Another word for legal norms is the common law.

[Melkerson]

@iron81

Before Heller, the 2A was a dead letter and governments could and did ban everything except hunting rifles.

Really? I guess I completely memory holed that. I’ve never owned or wanted to own a gun, so I’d have no functional reason to know.

[Melkerson]

@iron81

Before Heller, the 2A was a dead letter and governments could and did ban everything except hunting rifles.

@clovis8

Norms. That’s it. Iron is acting like there is some obvious limit. There isn’t. It’s just norms.

Another word for legal norms is the common law.

So how did AR15s make it in under Heller and “traditionally lawful purposes”?

[iron81]

They didn’t. The assault weapon ban was before Heller. A new assault weapon ban would be constitutional under the current precedent. The increasing prevalence of assault weapons isn’t due to the Court, it’s due to Legislatures.

[Melkerson]

@iron81

They didn’t. The assault weapon ban was before Heller.

Maybe it’s not clear what I’m asking. It sounds like Heller made banning AR15s unlawful. Is that not the case? If it is, what part of Heller forbids a local government from banning AR15s specifically.

[Danspartan]

@iron81

would be constitutional under the current precedent.

[iron81]

I didn’t edit fast enough, Heller does not prohibit assault weapons bans.

[jwax13]

LOL NYT

https://twitter.com/chriskpolansky/status/1532718249258782721?s=21&t=BLSOsZ-bSTSSJ-e9kTKPEA

[Danspartan]

Well only 4 innocent people died. That’s like 20% of Ulvade.

Jfc these morons. I’m sure the families are comforted that it could be worse. im sure they will stop grieving sooner knowing this

[VoteForSocialists]

South Carolina actually has two state mottoes, both of which are Latin phrases with different meanings. Animis Opibusque Parati , which is considered the first state motto of South Carolina, means "prepared in mind and resources.” The second state motto of South Carolina is “Dum Spiro Spero , which means “while I breathe, I hope.” The origin of Dum Spiro Spero is attributed to the Roman philosopher Marcus Tullius Cicero, who is thought to have written the phrase.

a little too on the nose, don’t you think?

[mosdef]

@Danspartan

Well only 4 innocent people died.

They were no angels.

[00cooler00]

Not sure if it’s been covered here already but something that may interest you. It’s perfectly legal to own all sorts of insane weapons and weapon-adjacent things. There’s the 1934 National Firearms Act, updated in 1968. It’s essentially a tax law that creates an application process and registry for certain types of firearms. Legit automatic machine gun, bombs, grenades, different lengthed shotguns, etc. You pay a $200 tax (never updated from 1934) and submit an application to get a tax stamp to own something like that. A friend of mine recently told me that he just received his stamp for his suppressor he bought for his AR-15. The process took 15 months from submittal to approval he said.

[Danspartan]

https://twitter.com/lindseygrahamsc/status/1532776987365883904?s=21&t=7lbGyRG-0gUX9mVU8NBaog

About the right age

[dlk9s]

Yes, I’m sure that’s exactly how people want to spend their retirement.

[Huehuecoyotl]

The previous service members is a good angle. The potential shooter has to say ‘thank you for your service’ and it gives guard an opening to make a move.

[Danspartan]

I’m picturing walkers with guns attached.