National Basketball Association - 2022/23 Season (Part 1)

And the funny part they completely butchered (at least for now, of course this could look very different in two years) the 2nd overall pick they ended up getting.

Wiggins was a bad nba player at the time of the trade though. I wonder what the impact of Dryamond had been on making Wiggins such a solid defender in a relatively late stage of his career.

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Coming out of the draft the consensus was Wiggins should be really good on defense. He was good in his one college year and had the tools.

The Minnesota teams he was on were bad and he was inefficient. It became clear he shouldnā€™t be a #2 guy, and with a #1 pick you usually want a #1 guy. Heā€™s good as a 3rd/4th option, the other thing is that most other teams canā€™t fit a 3rd/4th option for that salary in their cap. Basically only the Warriors can.

Having the tools to be good at defense and being good at defense are two very different things. He played 6 seasons, almost uninjured and was never a good defender. He became a good defender with the Warriors. By definition he clearly had the tools for it, I just wonder how they were brought out and if Draymond, who has one of the best NBA defense mind perhaps ever, had a big impact on it.

Donā€™t teams have coaches for exactly this shit?

They do, but I donā€™t have that kind of respect for their coaching staff.

You could look at all sorts of advanced stats, but Iā€™d assume itā€™s an easy answer. Itā€™s easy to be ā€œgoodā€ on defense when your teammates are, hard when they arenā€™t.

Itā€™s not easy, no. Poole and Curry are both below average defenders as well. Wiggins was not a great defender when playing with Butler either. Not sure why you think that change is trivial, but it isnā€™t. Itā€™s impressive and unexpected to the degree it happened.

Jimmy and Tatum balling, tirefire otherwise

Bam is so bad

Going to be infuriating watching either of these teams constantly flopping against the warriors

Curry is definitely well above average defender

This is ugly. Not celts-bucks ugly but still ugly. Not sure if itā€™s worth it to be awake at 5am for this :thinking:

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Between the refs and commentary itā€™s fucking unwatchable. So many horrible calls both ways, and JVG cries about every call Boston gets and applauds the Heat for flopping.

Agreeing with Mark Jackson is making me physically ill.

The Heat set 3 moving screens every possession.

Thank god Iā€™m immune to those both, otherwise itā€™d be game over for me.

if even one of these refs is calling the Finals Iā€™m out

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Found the Scott Foster fan ;)

Jesus this should be an incredible game but the refs took over.

Jimmy playing out of his mind. Hope he can get it done for this game at least

If I was a ref Iā€™d do the exact opposite to floppers. Known flopper? You get no calls unless I see blood.

Refs obviously love floppers though. Get them involved and give them more control

I take that back.