Moving the Biden Administration left

[WichitaDM]

I’m going to guess the majority here do #2 already in some way or another. Criticizing Biden here has no influence on whether or not we do #2. In fact I know many of my actions IRL have come as a direct result of what I have read here from others sharpening my own worldview. So it doesn’t make a lot of sense to try and shut down #1 when I would guess for many of us it leads to #2.

You seem to be on a multi-month mission to try and point out what is wrong with this place. That is why you constantly face the backlash you whine about.

[Lawnmower_Man]

@clovis8

This will take real work.

You spelled money wrong.

[Watevs]

No idea why you guys coddle a guy who continues to lie that his detractors are doing nothing for the cause when he gets a little sad

[RiskyFlush]

Do not speak to or about your fellow posters like this when posting on this forum.

[LouisCyphre]

@clovis8

The right won by,

Creating the federalists society and spending decades infiltrating law schools

Creating Fox News and spending decades building a right wing media

Creating the tea party funding it and spending decades grooming right win candidates for office

All of these took countless millions of dollars. None of what you in your OP can compete with the power of deep pockets.

[clovis8]

I’ve never said anything even remotely like people here do nothing for the cause. Nice try though. I did once question your actual direct action, a position I firmly standby.

[NotBruceZ]

You did say this. And you seem to regard Watevs as one of “them”.

@clovis8

Bottom line is there are some people who don’t actually care about politics, except in the context of self-engradizment. No candidate, public person, or fellow poster can ever pass their test because the test is the whole point. The whole reason they are involved is to be able to point out “failures” in others as a way to show how pure they are.

They don’t care that everyone is a real complicated human and that nobody is perfect. Their child-like view of the world pretends that someone will come along who perfectly matches them. Not the real them, of course, because they are far from perfect, but the ideal them they want to portray to the world in every post. The perfectly left version of them. The pure version.

These people don’t actually care about helping kids in cages. They only care about saying they care about helping kids in cages.

Thankfully, this type of person is rare so can be easily ignored as they are never serious thinkers.

[clovis8]

I did and I do. I in no way suggested that was everyone here. In fact I made it clear they are rare.

[microbet]

@clovis8

You keep talking about people in general who you think are attacking you. I bet there are at least a dozen people on the forum who think you are talking about them and that perhaps you only want to name the most obvious example(s).

[anon10387340]

People are constantly attacking him.

[microbet]

Keeed trolled him (hardly a leftist attacking him for being a centrist) and the ONE guy he mentions, watevs attacked him, and this thread is all about …that ?

[anon10387340]

I’m not sure that’s his fault that that’s what the thread is about. Keeed trolled him in the 2nd post itt and then whatevs post was in the first handful and plenty of other people seemed to want to respond after those posts and here we are.

Maybe question the people taking the thread in a different direction than his purpose for posting it?

[clovis8]

Ok let’s assume this is true. I don’t think it is based on recent dem fundraising but let’s assume it is.

What is the plan? Are we just throwing our hands in the air and giving up?

[nobody]

@clovis8

My point is the critiques of Biden are more important than ever right now but outside of UP! Let’s focus our attention there.

I dont care where you are on the political spectrum but i dont like the above. It feels like you are trying to stifle criticism of Biden on the site. I also think you over estimate how much of an echo chamber this place is. People argue about policy all the time.

[clovis8]

I am absolutely not trying to stop critiques of Biden. I sometimes argue against stupid ones like those posting at 12:45 on noon Wednesday he hadn’t solved every problem. That’s not the same thing. I posted a critique myself just yesterday about his using ex military people to lead the military.

My point is we need to focus our energy outside UP to get the effect we want.

As for this place being an echo chamber I don’t know what to say. We are the very definition of an echo chamber. The 100 or so regular posters here represent the extreme left of the political spectrum. We don’t have a single poster who could be accurately described as a centrist let alone a single poster from the right.

[nobody]

@clovis8

I am absolutely not trying to stop critiques of Biden. I sometimes argue against stupid ones like those posting at 12:45 on noon Wednesday he hadn’t solved every problem. That’s not the same thing. I posted a critique myself just yesterday about his using ex military people to lead the military.

It feels like that is what you are doing sometimes. Think this all kicked up because of Biden’s immigration policy and his executive orders. Orders which should get criticism even if its in the first few hours of his Presidency.

My point is we need to focus our energy outside UP to get the effect we want.

This is kind of what i mean. The above comes across as you not wanting criticism here.

And people can do both anyway. They can let off steam here and do stuff on the outside. Even if someone just critically posts here the argument should not be to stop the criticisms here, it should be they should expand it.

As for this place being an echo chamber I don’t know what to say. We are the very definition of an echo chamber. The 100 or so regular posters here represent the extreme left of the political spectrum. We don’t have a single poster who could be accurately described as a centrist let alone a single poster from the right.

Yeah i dont agree. People argue policy all the time on all kind of subjects. Like i dont like M4A. It would not end the insurance companies racket which needs to be ended.

[microbet]

This. The accusations that people are mad at Biden for not solving all the problems on the first day might be cute sarcasm and a little light trolling, but they are certainly not both in good faith and intelligent.

[anon10387340]

Well they are no less intelligent than the posts complaining about all the things that had not yet changed by the end of Biden’s first day. Which are the posts that actually prompted those replies. And probably equal as far as good faith.

[microbet]

You mean PC’s posts about the protests in police? You don’t think those are in good faith?

I know there was plenty of talk about “wait until Biden is in office and then push him”. That wasn’t entirely my theory, but I do believe protest and complaint right now on day one is more important than it was during an administration where no one even hoped they would listen.

[anon10387340]

As far as whether or not Biden is at fault for how law enforcement is responding to protests on the other side of the country at the end of his first day in office, yes.