Movies (and occasionally face slaps) (Part 1)

I’m not nitpicking but it can’t be nostalgia if it’s for a new audience…it’s more like a cynical ploy to minimise variance by playing it ultra safe with established screenplays in an age when it’s become harder and harder to find new convincing plot angles.

The music biz does a similar thing with covers of songs the target audience won’t be familiar with.

In a medium where retreads aren’t an option, there have been countless articles for some time in the books sections of quality newspapers arguing that the modern novel is in crisis.

Western culture itself is having a crisis of creativity.

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idk if it’s a crisis, but it’s definitely stagnation.

Last week I was in a trendy basement bar for the cool kids, staffed by hipsters in their early 20’s playing A Tribe Called Quest. Those same people have been working in that same bar playing the same music in dozens of cities virtually unchanged for decades.

lol, Tribe Called Quest is timeless. Kids are gonna be listening to that for generations, and not just hipsters.

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That may be so, but the question is still why they aren’t playing the contemporary equivalent instead.

Kids prefer new stuff in general, made by their peers, right?

Yeah, 25 years ago that basement bar wasn’t playing the Stones or Zeppelin, it was playing… A Tribe Called Quest. We wouldn’t be caught dead in a bar playing classic rock.

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So what Christmas movies will everyone be watching? I’m thinking Charlie Brown and the original Grinch.

Have you listened to contemporary hip-hop?

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Uncredited rewrite coming in 5, 4, 3…

I highly recommend the Netflix docuseries The Movies that Made Us (made by the same folks that make The Toys that Made Us). Two Xmas movies they feature are Home Alone and Die Hard. I’m a bottomless well of pop culture trivia and even I learned a thing or two.

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No but if you’re saying what I think you’re saying then zikzak, you and I are in agreement.

Personally I’d rather die hard home alone.

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Yeah, that’s a great series, as is The Toys that Made Us.

The Home Alone one is really interesting and involves some not-entirely-legal shenanigans, which made me respect John Hughes a little bit more :joy:

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I’m glad someone else thinks this, I’ve thought it for years - that it’s weird pubs with young people play music I’m familiar with, and would not have happened in my day - but no one else I’ve told ever seemed to care. I’m not sure what it means, though.

I don’t know what it means either, and I’ve been having variations of this discussion for years. The reason I was at that bar in the first place is because I was dragged there by somebody 17 years younger than me. When I pointed out that the songs being played were older than the people working there he said, “So?”

There has been a huge cultural change across all of the creative mediums this century that I don’t think younger people can really understand. For the entire 20th century, in any art form, the cutting edge work would have completely blown the mind of somebody a generation earlier. N.W.A. would have been inconceivable to people in 1968. Try imagining Hunter S. Thompson being published in the early 50’s. Or Jackson Pollock painting in 1920.

That isn’t true any longer, and it hasn’t been true for a long time. There are no creative works in recent years that would have blown anybody’s mind 20 years ago. If you had told me in 1999 that the 2019 version of me would be sitting in a nearly identical bar, surrounded by people who acted and dressed exactly the same as I had, and listened to the exact same music, that would have blown my mind.

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Interesting. Never thought of that.

Retconning is where they explain or reinterpret existing canon to make it fit with future events. Retconning Lady Ghostbusters would involve, for example, showing a TV news story where we learn that the events of that film were covered up and that’s why nobody remembers it, or establishing that it took place in a parallel timeline, or whatever. Just pretending it doesn’t exist is the opposite of “retroactive continuity”, it’s not any kind of continuity.

Sorta doubt their playlists are exactly the same. How do you know they don’t also listen to The Killers or whatever? Did you never jam out to music from your parents generation?

Just sounds like young people are enjoying great music and some geezer is cranky at this for whatever reason.

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Yeah, its just this. Look at the posters for most modern music festivals of the last decade. They’re all just a giant mix of everything. Most “hip” bars are like this as well. You’ll hear everything.

Also, a bar is where you play music that’s safe and everyone’s going to like. You don’t dial up your mind blowing new stuff on a jukebox, that’s a dick move.

Just saw this. Incredible film that’s going to be tough to top as my favorite of the year.

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