Same. I have had that conversation enough times to see no current value. It is so surface level that I am really banging my head against a rock trying to get water.
My father-in-law said, “People call me a racist, but I’m not. I just think black people have a different culture.” You can imagine what he associates with this culture. I tried to get a deeper perspective from him, but it wasn’t anything more than, “I dunno, that’s just the way it is.”
My brother-in-law jumps on his soap box and preaches word-for-word propaganda. He works in “FREEDOM” and sneering tone “SOCIALISM” when he can.
When he gets to the part where he’s denigrating anyone who disagrees, he says, “They get mad because they haven’t broken free of their programming, but I’ve looked into it. I’m doing my own research, I’m deep diving…” But when I ask him any questions, he doesn’t know how to respond to someone who doesn’t instinctively declare agreement to the right-wing propaganda.
And I don’t mean questions challenging him. I mean just stuff like help me understand this. Where are you getting your information?
In an ironic sequence of events, I happened to have some time alone with his book collection, where he has books with chapter titles like “Why We Need More Guns In More Kids Hands”
Honestly, I really don’t want to have this conversation with my mother or really any deplorables in my family. I see most of my family once a year for a week or so. Last thing I want is for us to go at each other over politics.
My sisters and I have a sort of unspoken agreement to ignore our mother’s political posts. It works for us to discuss something that isn’t political.
Anyway, how has triceratops not popped up yet? Guess so long as he stays in the containment thread it’s cool?
I have no idea why Triceratops isn’t banned. It’s kind of funny seeing some 90s throwback “you’re damn right I’d be terrified to drive through a black neighborhood” racism, but I really don’t think it’s in the interests of the site to give a platform to that kind of thing.
I’m usually the one arguing for including other voices but I have to agree. If someone signs up and instantly goes full blast for days they should be banned almost regardless of political persuasion. Anyone wanting to actually join a community would spend some time getting to understand its norms and rules before going full on rhetoric war!
Why do people insist on continually attaching this forum to that one? We have our own identity and need to continue to develop it instead of hanging onto that sinking ship. Are you going to start checking out Chiefs Planet while you’re at it and see what they’re saying about us too? Perhaps Stormfront will be next.
The deplorables on 2p2 are contributing nothing of value here. Instaban them and let them cry about how badly UP treated them for being racist pieces of shit. That’s what they’ll do no matter when you ban them.
Fuck them. They need to be shamed not entertained.
I dont see an issue with banning in general, but the very openly white supremacist is pretty entertaining all around. Sure, if there is a flood of such i think we should ban them, but as a one-off he’s a pretty nice gift. He isnt trolling really as he’s being pretty honest now about his beliefs.
The other dude otoh is a different story and i cant see a single argument on his behalf
I think containment threads are a good alternative to banning some posters, especially since many reg’s really enjoy arguing with the sorts of people who would get contained.
However, I also strongly believe any content AIDSey enough to be contained should also be moved off the front page of the forum. This is not a private clubhouse, we are open to the world. We do actually have new visitors regularly checking this place out, and should be making at least some effort to make a good impression.
In my view, posts like yours and goofy’s are part of the grieving process. That place was a true home and formative for many people here. It’s tough to let go, but with each passing day, it’s easier to recognize 2+2 as a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Agree. This is a healthy way to frame it without mentioning The Math That Shall Not Be Named.
We have no hive mind. We have some pretty strong disagreements on the site and work them out and/or agree to disagree all the time.
They will create their own version of reality no matter what we do or how we react, so I think as soon as it’s clear we have a troll with no redeeming value it’s fine to just proceed to a perm.
Not really. I mean, when they sorta took the lower station of black people as a given and then felt free to focus on other issues, like giving more money to rich people, they could talk about that in reasonable sounding terms, but they system they stood for was always this fucked up. They just weren’t forced to confront it as often, and they know how bad it sounds, so they have to resort to trolling.
I have made a similar point several times. If someone respects the community they are free to have a different opinion*, but it’s on them go ease their way in even if they are not warmly welcomed by every single member here. It’s not that hard to get accepted and get some license, you just don’t get to start off that way. (*And that doesn’t go for every opinion - eg racism)
It doesn’t matter how nice we are. The troll is gonna run back and play the victim of those big meanies at Unstuck one he gets disciplined. Might as well give him what he wants and end it.
What’s worse is if the mods let him hang around then it will encourage other trolls to get their own containment threads. Soon, every douchebag deplorable will have a thread dedicated to them unless somebody takes a stand. Having two is already too much. If we have more it’ll clutter the forum and make it unusuable.
Speaking as a run-of-the-mill low-volume member, my personal response to having the likes of Anachy and T-Tops shit-posting in several threads has been and will be to visit the site less and post even less than my normal amount.