Long and Tedious Path to the Truth

[anon10396289]

@MrWookie

I am obviously not lying about what you said. I quoted you. If you think that your meaning isn’t what your words meant to me, well, OK, anyone can deny anything. If you aren’t an anti-vaxxer, your posting here sure looks like you’d be the #1 UPer with anti vaxxers.

All the paraphrased quotes that you included in your post were things that I never said or argued for. That was the lie. The quotes don’t support those paraphrased quotes: “I’m not against vaccines, I’m against vaccine mandates.” When did I say anything like that? You implied that I said that. That was a lie. Same with the others, other than not wanting to judge people who didn’t get the vaccine. Not judging people who don’t get the vaccine isn’t the same thing as condoning what they did or why they did it.

But originally I was an antivaxxer because you said I drastically overestimated the risk of the vaccine booster. When I pointed out that I said my risk was miniscule, you pivoted. Then you said that the risk of the booster was much smaller than the risk of covid, I pointed out that the magnitude of the absolute risks of each choice is meaningless in this framework. So now you’re pivoting to a third reason I’m an antivaxxer, because I “sound” like one. I make the same arguments as an antivaxxer. Well, none of the quotes of mine you post are in any way anti vaccine in any way. None.

This is the entirety of the first quote you post, with the section you posted bolded:

@anon10396289

Right, but who’s the ones being intolerant here? People where I live don’t gaf if New York City locks down or who gets vaccinated or wears masks. The reverse isn’t true though. Of course, it’s true that the unvaccinated and un-locked down’s choices effect others, but that’s becoming less and less true with the effectiveness and availability of vaccines and boosters. And I’m not saying there’s nothing to get mad about, but it simply isn’t productive. And it ignores the increasing unpopularity of restrictions. I think we’re just going to end up in the realm of you make your own personal choices on vaccination, masks, isolation, whatever, and you take your chances. This isn’t ever going to go away, it increasingly seems like everyone’s going to get it, vaccination or not. Which obviously doesn’t mean that vaccines don’t work, they do, but breakthrough cases are obviously not rare (believe me, I know).

This post is not antivaccine in any way, shape or form. It’s absurd to frame it as such. Vaccines work, people should get them, but at this point vaccines aren’t going to stop the virus. It’s endemic. It’s an analysis of the political reality we face right now, not a statement on vaccines and their effectiveness.

Next section, your excerpted fragment bolded again:

@anon10396289

OK, but wave after wave is going to happen regardless, right? You lock down now you’ll get it later seems to be the rule. And then mostly the unvaccinated die even though probably vaccinated can spread at least a few of these variants. And then we’re still talking about these two weeks to slow the spread tactics two years on, at some point we just have to say, OK, what are our actual public health goals here? Because to me, taking countermeasures to merely delay an inevitable wave makes very little sense at this stage of the pandemic. Although that could change if Omicron or some subsequent variant causes significant mortality in children, then you’d want to do that to try to figure out how to get them vaccinated.

Honestly I don’t even understand how the fragment you quoted could be interpreted as anti-vaccine. I’m just saying waves are going to happen no matter if a community is vaccinated or not, but people should get vaccinated because those waves will be far less deadly than if they’re not.

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@anon10396289

But why do we say fuck the unvaccinated?!? It’s one thing when you could plausibly blame the continued existence of the pandemic on the unvaccinated. Now that the “pandemic of the unvaccinated” ship has well and truly sailed, I don’t know. Do you get furious at strangers who don’t wear seat belts and motorcycle helmets?

Oh damn you quoted a whole post! Again, not in any way anti-vaccine. I’m saying that this thing is endemic, everyone is going to get it, and you better get vaccinated because you’re going to be much better protected than if you’re not vaccinated. Obvious stuff.

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@anon10396289

But then there’s different kinds of unvaccinated. Someone who got the virus and recovered, are they the same thing as someone who never got it and never got vaccinated? I don’t think there’s terribly good evidence for what sort of protection infection gives vs. vaccine, so I could see that as a reasonable choice to not get vaccinated. Similarly, I got vaccinated in March and got a breakthrough case in August. I haven’t gotten a booster and probably won’t, at least for a while. Because again, I don’t think there is good evidence that a booster is indicated in that situation. So when do I make the transition from Fully Vaccinated Good Boy to Subhuman Unboosted Piece of Shit?

So for me, it’s much better to just not judge people for their vaccination status at all. In any case, it doesn’t change a thing if you’re mad at the unvaccinated or not, so why bother. And I’ve convinced three or four people to get vaccinated with reason and kindness, and I doubt that an attitude of GET VACCINATED YOU PIECE OF SHIT would have been as effective.

Is being adamantly pro-vaccine while not making judgements about what sort of people are unvaccinated actually antivaxx? Why? Why do I have to express my two minute hate against the unvaccinated in order to be pro-vaccine? What does that accomplish? I know many people I work with who haven’t taken the vaccine and won’t. I obviously think they’re wrong but I actually know them. Their reasons are bad but sincere. I go to work with them every day and they aren’t bad people and they don’t deserve to die or get covid or whatever. I could go around and yell at them and call them fucking morons but that would just get me fired. What does it accomplish other than imbue me with righteous anger? That and a buck fifty will get me on the bus.