The refusing to search thing is maybe the most nakedly racist thing I can remember in politics in my life.
I guess the conservatives have also campaigned on negative attack ads against the NDP leader for his domestic violence arrest over 20 years ago.
NDP have campaigned on Healthcare and education, basically reversing all the conservative cuts. They closed all but 2 emergency rooms in the province. NDP last had a cap of 20 kids per classroom in schools. There are classes with over 30 now etc.
Landfill stuff is obviously gross.
Is it working?
It appears itās going to cost over $100 million to search a landfill for two bodies. Iām not sure what the right answer is. Is there precedent?
There was a study done and it basically said it will be expensive and time consuming, but safe as long as PPE is used. 1-3 years, ~80-180 million with the Fedās offering to pay a bunch.
Youāre quickā¦I edited in less than a minute.
$180 million to find two dead bodies? That seems like a good enough reason not to look .
What are you going to do, dump enough bodies there until the per body cost is acceptable?
The important thing to note here is that if a homeless indigenous person murdered a blonde white girl, no conservative would pause for even a second to ask about the cost of finding the body and hunting down the Bad Guy. Even talking about the cost like itās a sincere public policy concern for conservatives is embarrassing.
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they already have the murderer
And?
You mentioned hunting down the bad guy.
Anyway Iām not sure what the right answer is here, Iām leaning towards not searching.
Estimates on costs are frequently understated and I could easily see this costing well over $150 million for a province with only 1.3 million people and them not even finding the bodies.
I donāt know if speciality equipment is needed or where a lot of the funds go of that $150 million, but I can imagine that they would have to buy a lot of stuff from out of province to help them in the search so unlike many government projects where the funding at least goes to local companies and people who then pay part of it back as part of their taxes I see $ flowing out of a province that isnāt all that well off to begin with.
If you are going to spend $150 million+ on a project could that money be better spent on social programs for the native population?
Not this bad guy. I mentioned a hypothetical where conservatives would quickly abandon their professed concern for fiscal responsibility. It baffles me that someone on this forum can be so obtuse as to not see the obvious point of my post that conservatives only care about fiscal responsibility when it suits them. Pretending this is about anything other than anti-indigenous racism is being an apologist for racists.
Is it your theory that conservatives are eager to launch a bunch of social programs for the native population?
I will not continue to talk to you about this because you want to have a policy discussion in an imaginary world and I am pointing out that in the real world the policy discussion is a steaming pile of misleading bullshit. You may wallow in it, I will not.
Ahhh, I understand your original point more now as that the Conservatives in Manitoba are asshats, rather than the decision to search or not being obvious and that only racists wouldnāt want to search.
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Does Canada do security theater like the US does? Iām afraid Iām on mosdefās side about the question not even being brought up in a similar situation in the US where the victimās are white. āTough on crimeā and all that. I would hate to be the person who has to tell the family that their closure isnāt worth the price to the government though.
The cost estimate is dumb. It assume they have to search every inch on the landfill. They are statically just as likely to find them in the first 5% of the search as the last. In fact, I assume they are going to narrow the search to areas in use during the time of disappearance so they are more likely to find them early in the search than later.
The 100m number is political racism.
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Sorry if my posts are extra salty about this, the attitude of white Canadians toward indigenous people pisses me off. I shouldnāt take it out on my UP friends, lol.
One thing that has become very clear to me as Iāve gotten older and theoretically wiser is how much hate depends on never actually interacting with the groups you hate. When hateful people meet black people or gay people or trans people or indigenous people in their day to day lives, the overwhelming outcome is that they realize that those people are, well, people. Our society is so structurally flawed and set up to promote anti-indigenous hate by literally tucking them away in reservations off where white conservatives never have to interact with one. In Winnipeg, tons of seemingly normal people I meet think that drunk homeless āIndianā they see downtown is entirely representative of indigenous populations. Itās insane.
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I donāt think you get to do budgets based on best case scenarios. Iām not saying the number isnāt political racism, but I think you still have to give worst case numbers in budgeting for stuff like this.
Itās common to do phased budgets for work like this in archaeology. Of course you give a worst case but you also give best estimate and a few other scenarios. Iām guessing they even did that and the PCs are just using the biggest number for political reasons. To be fair, I donāt know this to be true as I have no looked at the budget.
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