Regularly? Occasionally maybe.
And progressives win occasionally.
But it has to happen in an environment dominated by conservative (like MSNBC) and reactionary media.
How so? Iâm not saying that a progressive will win every race if the voters just voted with their hearts or whatever. But theyâll never win if theyâre voting for âelectabilityâ or whatever and the entire media landscape is banging the drum that moderates are more electable.
More people in a Democratic primary wanted a cop than a leftist. Thatâs what ranked choice voting means. As for electability everyone, absolutely everyone, knows that the person who wins the Democratic primary is going to be mayor.
Itâs over dude itâs time to stop caring now. This is going to keep descending until we hit rock bottom as a global civilization. We clearly have room to keep digging and no plans to stop.
Iâm not asking to see it. Iâm asking where you heard about it. Maybe 0.3% of Americans watch The Mehdi Hasan Show?
I personally saw it in the 2+2 sports politics thread, 
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Iâd support Nina Turner. I like all her policy ideas. But, she did this cringy thing. Everyone is talking about it. So, I dunno, not so sure.
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I donât think anybody is saying it cost her the race. Just that her answer was cringey. And Iâm not sure what percentage of eligible people voted in this primary, but probably not that much more than .3%.
And I saw it originally on facebook.
Largely so. Being correct is certainly not guarantee of winning a vote. But that is a real thing where people vote for who they think is going to win. Even if thatâs Dem or Republican. Some people just vote for who they think will win. Lol voters obviously, but that happens a lot.
Leftists gaining real power in USA #1 is such a pipe dream I wouldnât even know where to start even if I had unlimited resources. Thatâs the reason why the Bernie hail mary seemed so important and was so crushing when he lost to Biden. I agree with micro that the lack of resources is an issue but more importantly the lack of influence on anything that matters to normal people is completely crushing. Leftists have been reduced to fringe lunatics by the entire spectrum of mainstream media. When Bernie looked poised to win the primary every channel, newspaper and internet news outlet ran the same âIs America ready for Communism?â news story pretty much permanently until he lost.
Iâm not sure how you ever defeat that. Literally 40% of the country is completely gone to MAGAland and to actually enact change you would need to not only have a leftist in the White House but also a super majority of leftists in the Senate and a majority in the House. We currently sit at like 5% leftists in both chambers. You would basically need to convince all the sane/non-MAGA people to stop voting for shitlibs and vote for a socialist revolution. That is never ever happening because that group you need to convince includes a lot of boomers. It also includes a lot of rich people who also donât want real change because it might negatively influence their wealth.
Grassroots organizing and local elections are all good and fine but there is absolutely no path forward for even Bernie style politics at the national level. 0.0%.
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This too. A lot of the things I would vote for are just unpopular with a lot of normie Dems. I live in a relatively wealthy most Dem neighborhood and people would never allow a half-way house or subsidized family housing built anywhere near here, people absolutely would never open borders and kids in HHS cages instead of CBPâs is right up their alley, and advocating for a law mandating worker representation on the boards of large corporations would get people wanting to charge you with treason.
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twas ever thus
I agree with you 99% on this, itâs stupid, but politicians running for office need to understand that the discourse around them will be stupid, that stupid things take on a life of their own, and that developing the skill to not step in it when someone shoves a mic in your face is an important part of the job. Like, how can she expect to be a public figure and not be able to answer that question. Sheâs going to get more challenging questions if she ever wins!
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Trump says all kinds of stupid things, but they never show those on reactionary media. Biden says all kinds of stupid things but they never show those on corporate liberal media. If Bernie or Turner or AOC say something stupid all reactionary and corporate liberal media repeats it ad nauseum. Itâs essentially impossible to be perfect and if everyone is on a hair trigger to discount you, youâre gonna be discounted.
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Yes thatâs true. There are big double standards and its not fair.
You said you hadnât heard of the voting is private clip until now. The vast majority of people who saw it did so through social media. I probably wouldnât know who Nina Turner is if it wasnât for facebook/twitter/unstuck. And I donât really see a double standard. Plenty of republicans were asked if they would vote for Trump. Most just handled it better and were willing to take their lumps from saying no.
Yup! FWIW, Iâm not suggesting there arenât groups doing this kind of work, itâs just that more people in the mainstream need to get clued in.
Not every repetition of the absolutely trivial event has to be funded. One mechanism for this sort of thing is that respected figures and places cast an event as shady or not-serious or whatever and people uncritically repeat it. This depends on a lot of people not being hostile or skeptical to the initial sources and maybe on a lot of background hostility - in this case from rank and file Democrats directed at progressives.
If we had a multi-party system, a Democratic establishment party would occasionally side with progressives but form some alliances with non-racist conservatives. Weâd eventually get a Likud-like party in the middle, balanced between leftists and social conservatives, whose goal is to let neither extreme win.
Thatâs not really the issue in a race like this. One of the big reasons why the Tea Party had an easier time than Progressives is that people who vote in these low turn out primaries tend to be older and more affluent. When your base skews young thatâs a big obstacle for winning off year special election primaries. I didnât even start voting in midterm generals until I was in my 40s and thatâs not atypical. 95% of dems in this district just donât care at all if Turner or her opponent is their house rep. They donât see a huge difference between 2 anti-Trump candidates.
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