Oh yeah - I’m sure it works 99.9% of the time. It’s just that .1% or whatever. This is what software development is all about. We spend 90% of our effort on 10% edge cases. But that’s only because we’re allowed to have bugs w/o people dying. When human life is involved, that margin for error shrinks to zero.
The closest I’ve come is when we had a lab report that was only being looked at by drug company employees to monitor clinical trials. They wanted to expand it so that maybe the doctors involved in the trials might print reports off of our app. Previously doctors only got this old dot-matrix report mailed to them - which had been vetted for 20 years.
So that means if we accidentally truncate say creatine from 0.9 - to 0 - which can totally happen when you convert something to PDF programatically, worst case scenario a doctor might misdiagnose a patient and kill them. This is much much different than a drug company employee monitoring the clinical trial seeing a wrong number.
I had to fight tooth and nail, all the way up the chain of command, to make sure we validated the crap out of that thing. I actually got a new job, but still worked like 80 hrs/week my last two weeks and the last weekend just to make sure I didn’t kill someone. I called in late my first Monday on the new job because I had to turn in my laptop to the old job.
This is like 1/10,000 of what it must take to make sure self-driving cars don’t kill someone.
See, this is why cats are better than dogs. A couple of times my cats would bring squirrels home, but they would always be 100% completely dead via a strike to the neck. It scared the fuck out of me as a young boy, I can’t imagine if the squirrels were half alive and I had to either nurse them back to health or put them down, fuck that shit.
My cat would bring birds into the house after knocking them unconscious. Afterwards, she’d wait until they woke up and then knocked them out again. Once she had enough she would decapitate them and hide the head and body in different parts of the house.
I don’t know what kind of lame squirrels you guys have in your part of the country but around here no self-respecting squirrel is going to get got by a city dog.
We don’t get squirrels round here anymore, my dog got them all. He’s an Australian Kelpie and almost greyhound fast, and he rope-a-doped many a squirrel that came into the yard. They’d be stealing birdseed from the ground, and he’d run up to them at about 60% speed, and they’d escape. Squirrel returns, dog runs up at 60%, squirrel escapes. Rinse and repeat several times until the squirrel is feeling quite in control, then, on the squirrel’s 7th and final trip to the birdseed, Ralph the kelpie shifts into plaid speed, and complacent squirrel ceases to exist.
I have an X rather than a 3, but from their website it looks like the standard package only has lane-keeping and adaptive cruise control. All the cool stuff needs FSD. You can upgrade later, but it’s more expensive.
The suckers at IIHS rated the Model 3’s autobraking as “advanced” in avoiding pedestrian accidents, but thanks to the power of the internet, we can get the real truth from StultusVox.
Yeah. We have a puppy that’s already fast enough to run down rabbits and squirrels and he’s only going to get faster. I fear for the neighborhood cats that enter our yard.
And today I got my old passport back as well, with the holes punched in it, just like last time. I think @suzzer99 was asking about this a while back so wanted to confirm that other than delays, everything is the same as it’s always been in passport land.
I don’t speak or read Chinese and I don’t really know much about best practices for automotive safety testing. I’m not the right person to explain what it is you’re seeing in those videos. I would suggest, though, that if you want to know about the reliability of automotive safety features, you would be wise to look at outlets like IIHS rather than decontextualized foreign-language videos posted by randoms on Twitter or Weibo.
So the IIHS says “Advanced” and that’s supposed to trump bugs in the software that I can see with my own eyes?
If you’re actually interested in more than appealing to authority - there’s a ton more discussion on this in the HackerNews thread I posted: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24588795
The IIHS does all sorts of autonomous braking test scenarios involving pedestrians - https://youtu.be/TJgUiZgX5rE
A pedestrian darting out from behind a car is known to be a tricky scenario, but some systems handle it at least some of the time. This scenario looked like the pedestrian was unobstructed and traveling in a predictable direction, so it’s pretty unnerving if it’s real.
Long story short, even in Teslas, even just autonomous braking and crash avoidance is a great extra safety layer, but far from something that should be relied upon. Tesla is reckless for selling it as something that can be relied upon to successfully pilot a car.
I really have to push back against your point that Tesla “vigorously communicates” that driver attention must be maintained at all times, when in fact, they really seem like they want to occupy a gray space in-between:
They advertise and sell full autonomy under the name “autopilot”, which carries all sorts of connotations
Correct me if I’m wrong, but they don’t actually prevent a driver from falling asleep behind the wheel, even if they vibrate the steering wheel. New Subarus have driver eye tracking built in - it would be trivial for Tesla to make sure the driver is paying attention, but they don’t really want to.
It might say it somewhere in the manual to cover them legally, but all signs point to them wanting the market to think their cars drive themselves.
I don’t think regulators are actually doing their jobs here. If Teslas actually a successful dead man switch, we wouldn’t see story after story like this -
I don’t need to put forth a solution to point out that Tesla is trying to have its cake and eat it too. They say one thing to regulators and another to consumers and they are being allowed to do it.
I don’t disagree with you about personal responsibility, but Tesla also has responsibility for what they market and the downstream effects.
