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I suspect the IRA fear thing was strongest among the English in the north. I donā€™t know how they think the NI agreement could have happened without talking to terrorists.

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Correctā€¦ Even the folks up here are mostly the same when it comes down to it, unfortunatelyā€¦ Over the last 6 years the upturn in hatred towards to the European citizens was bad.

But they also used the good Friday agreement being the biggest hurdle in the Brexit negotiations to full effect.

Racism=80%
Hatred of anyone but the English 19%
Economic anxiety= 1%

Itā€™s all racismā€¦

I honestly think ill be in blows with my family at Xmas this year if I donā€™t calm downā€¦ :roll_eyes:

I cancelled my invite to Kent for a family wedding too, as Iā€™m too stressed, hopefully the winter break will calm me down a bit.

Whatā€™s annoying me the most at the moment is seeing the hatred towards Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Partys In fightingā€¦ I hope yā€™all can come together to fight the good fight after the dust settles.

Theres a lot of good, talanted young peeps in the JC wing, who have the best interests of our people and I hate to see them getting attacked by fucking centrists who imo fucked us up by allowing the attacks to happenā€¦ Fucking Idiots donā€™t k ow this is a sports gameā€¦

All Jeremy Corbyn fault when he was getting attacked from within is laughable bullshit that can go fuck itselfā€¦

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https://mobile.twitter.com/ImIncorrigible/status/1205543286091534337

Like these folks who wanna attack their own teamā€¦ Not understanding that it is a lifetime project, not just a 30 year 1, a lifetime of fighting for youā€™re rights and never ever letting your team down.

If Labour canā€™t get rid of these fakers in the Labour Party The UK has no hope.

If these folks can learn the lessons of NOT advertising for right wing rags we might have a chance, stop polluting the twitterverse with already debunked conspiracy theorys and right wing bullshit.

Either fight for your party along party lines OR FUCK OFF FAKERS.

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Itā€™s hard to get a full picture from what we have now which is nothing but anecdotal evidence, but anecdotally Corbyn simply wasnā€™t liked/trusted at all in non-metropolitan areas of the country - look at his record-breaking unfavourability figures going into the election - which is some combination of friend-of-terrorists, anti-Semite, fiscally-irresponsible, zero-charisma, too-Islington depending who/where you are.

One of those factors (IRA-friend) is related to the WASPyness of many of the northern areas that turned blue, triggered by a two year media campaign.

We went to Manchester for the celtic game and as it was Ryan Giggs leaving do we though weā€™d be all OK for travelling down and being in Manchester (Yes thatā€™s an actual thi g we have to think about when travelling with CelticFC in England).

We knew weā€™d get a few slurs at us, as long as we were not attacked it would be a fun tripā€¦

1 hour in Manchester 1 Black hack at a roundabout spat on us, stopping to call his mates and then 15/20 min later around 20 cabs got near the stadium at the underground beside the roundabout and continued to attack us with batons and bottlesā€¦ We had normal motorists trying to run over our feet and had to deal with small crowds of +50 year olds heckling us.

It was safer in Rome/Milan/Madrid/barcalona and Vigo which was hell.

Iā€™ve also found it safer to visit Ibrox on an old firm day than any city in England as a celtic fan, period.

Unfortunately Jalfrazi all what you say above is correct, it all seemed to stick to JC going into this election. :pensive:

https://mobile.twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1205604510971973633

https://mobile.twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1205797288788017152

https://mobile.twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1205844065478217728

https://mobile.twitter.com/Vegimum/status/1205848791234097153
https://mobile.twitter.com/kellileighuk/status/1205832010922692608

https://mobile.twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1205785072244269056
https://mobile.twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1205789300563906560

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I agree, Manchester was a different story because of the IRA bombing, the Muslim racism was the bulk of the reasons imoā€¦ +80% of the problem if not 100%

I do believe you - but the IRA stuff is based on hatred of Catholics as much as fear of terrorism.

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Itā€™s how I can & Glasgow Celtic Fans as a whole can relate to the Other, because weā€™ve seen and experienced it 1st hand.

100% correct Sirā€¦ Having a glaswegian accent & wearing a celtic top in Englandā€™s North is fighting talk.

It may have changed for the better, but it has a long long way to go.

Iā€™d go a far to say that most folks in Glasgow and surrounding areas have my experiences, itā€™s very normal up here to have raging bullies and left leaning supporters in the same close nit familyā€™s for years and nowadays the folks of my generation and below & since our experience of seeing the hatrid 1st hand expanded our horizons we are now reaping the rewards as sectarian violence has indeed dropped dramatically since the 80ā€™s. Long may it continue :pray:

The video reminds me that as a teenager after 6pm that area was a no go area because of football violence, now its the best shopping area in Scotland.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/BrySim88/status/1205567598039048194

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I grew up Catholic in one of the NW constituencies thatā€™s just voted Tory for the first time in decades. The racism doesnā€™t surprise me in the slightest, it was always there and depressingly common, but I didnā€™t ever experience anti-Catholic stuff. Iā€™m sure it exists, itā€™s pretty ingrained in English society. I am sure that fidget is right, though, that at least among the white working class there itā€™s the anti immigrant stuff that landed hardest.

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Itā€™s a tough 1 mate, because as a normal guy Iā€™ve never experienced anti Catholic hate in England, neverā€¦ But as a CelticFC supporter, when travelling to England is a whole different experienceā€¦

As you say, when we travel down all the orange boys come out and the hatred is ignited.

Iā€™m never challenged as Scottish, and always referred to as a sympathetic to terrorismā€¦ I donā€™t travel to games in England because of it.

So itā€™s football related in a sence and seems to have festered their the most, and itā€™s strange because most if not all celtic fans I know hate the terrorists too.

How would English people know youā€™re catholic if youā€™re not wearing a Celtic shirt/scarf or with a group who are?

I mean in generalā€¦ When visiting & having a glaswegian accent Iā€™ve not once heard slurs of Catholics.

Plenty ribbing about being Scottish and my city, and even when they find out Iā€™m a celtic fan, theres been no animosity.

But yeah, point takenā€¦ :sweat_smile:

Idiot yank here. Is the soccer (football) stuff similar to what we get with Raider (NFL football) stuff - bunch of idiots that routinely cause low-grade riots in the Oakland stadium because their lives are pathetic shells only improved by getting hammered and cheering for laundry? +/- a bit of racism tossed in by some? Or is it different?

Iā€™d like to go to a game in the UK assuming I could hope to get out alive - or is that an overreaction?

MM MD

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Basically yes, alough our UK fans fight each other, except our Old firm game Football is safe here nowadays for the Premier clubs and is a great day out, visit a Premier league ground and game will be as safe as going to a NFL gameā€¦

It tends to be lower league games that are not as well policed that can attract the idiots the mostā€¦

Huh - would have thought the opposite -good to know.

MM MD

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At least where I grew up school uniform was a dead giveaway.

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Good thread to cringe atā€¦ :confused:

https://mobile.twitter.com/rodjgrimmer/status/1205563367714365440

https://mobile.twitter.com/kentman43/status/1205622728964870147

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