Land of Hope & Glory? - UK Politics and other stuff

If Labour has anti-Semites in their ranks, they need to get rid of them quickly. If it is has taken those steps, then great. My focus hasn’t been pulled from anything for more than the 10 minutes this discussion has taken.

Nobody in the right wing of Labour has felt sufficiently supported by Corbyn from the beginning. Maybe I’m wrong but I thought it was another disingenuous New Labour smear. The parliamentary party has been trying to kneecap its leadership since Corbyn got elected, I just took this asore of the same. If I’m wrong on that, OK.

There’s usually some threshold that has to be reached before it’s prudent to admit that it’s not all lies and smear stories (exaggerated though they undoubtedly are), and I think that’s clearly been reached.

I’ve posted enough on this for one day for someone who doesn’t have any skin in the game other than wanting to see British politics (and society) free of bigotry everywhere.

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I expect a Tory / Brexit Party coalition would get around a 100-150 seat majority even if all opposition parties teamed up optimally. The problem is Labour’s heartland is dominated by leave voters, and for reasons they can’t articulate the vast majority care way more about leaving the EU than they do about social justice or sane foreign policy.

Cliffs: we’re fucked

You know more about this than I do but will Labour voters in Sunderland really vote for the Tories in a General Election? I know they might have voted Leave, but to actually vote for a Tory?!

They voted for the Torys in 1 of Scotland major City’s that I though would never happen in my lifetime.

The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier appears to accept the likelihood of a no-deal Brexit.

Michel Barnier
(@MichelBarnier)
PM @BorisJohnson has said that the UK will leave the EU on 31 Oct. In all circumstances, the EU will continue to protect the interests of its citizens and companies, as well as the conditions for peace and stability on the island of Ireland. It is our duty & our responsibility.

August 29, 2019

I’ve asked (on loltwitter) for specific, concrete examples of Cornyn’s anti-semitism. I’ll post them here if even one of them ever responds in kind

Ben Wallace: ‘I don’t know what the outcome will be’
The defence secretary, Ben Wallace, has been caught on mic admitting the uncertainty of what happens next in the Brexit process and conceding the weakness of the government grip on power.

Speaking to his French counterpart at a defence summit in Helsinki, Wallace could be heard explaining the decision to prorogue parliament.

He said: “Parliament has been very good at saying what it doesn’t want. It has been awful at saying what it wants. That’s the reality. So eventually any leader has to, you know, try.”

Shrugging and laughing he added: “I don’t know what the outcome will be, you know politics.”

He added this about the government’s weakness:

“Our system is a winner takes all system. If you win a parliamentary majority you control everything, you control the timetable. There’s no written separation. So it’s, you pretty much are in command of the whole thing. And we’ve suddenly found ourselves with no majority and a coalition and that’s not easy for our system.

Charlie Proctor
(@MonarchyUK)
Defence Secretary Ben Wallace caught on camera explaining the real reason why Parliament has been prorogued.

Nothing to do with a new agenda - it is all about numbers as the government knows they can’t command a majority in the House of Commons, thus they have misled The Queen. pic.twitter.com/kJ5CtLPuep

August 29, 2019

Lisa O’Carroll
The Lord Chief Justice in Northern Ireland is to consider whether to grant an immediate injunction to block the suspension of parliament at a full hearing tomorrow.

Sir Declan Norman broke his summer holiday for a 20 minute urgent hearing this morning for an application by by campaigner Raymond McCord who has argued that no deal is a breach of the Good Friday Agreement.

He instructed both parties to return to court tomorrow with their “expanded arguments”.

“We are seeking an urgent injunction to compel Boris Johnson to reverse his advice to the queen to prorogue parliament,” said McCord’s lawyer Ciaran O’Hare after the 20-minute hearing on Thursday morning.

O’Hare says the decision to hear the case while the court is not in session shows the seriousness with which the judge, Sir Declan Morgan, is taking the case.

“We are confident. You now have cases in Scotland and England but in terms of litigation we believe that the Northern Ireland case is the most urgent because we argue the consequences of no deal here are worse than anywhere else in the UK,” he said.

The usual (and fair imo) accusation against Corbyn is that by denying it, then by failing to act quickly and decisively he effectively turned a blind eye to it, which encouraged it further. I expect you’ll see this if you get replies.

I don’t personally believe he holds antisemtiic views at all (he was my first local MP) but some of his louder and more visible party members leave a lot to be desired, to put it mildly.

I’m pretty ignorant of the ins and outs of U.K. politics to be fair, but is it actual Jew-hating by some of the members? Or is it criticism of the state of Israel being called anti-semitism to shut down said criticism? (I saw a fair bit of this in the old forum as I’m sure you did too)

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He seems to be a level headed sort… I read some articles on him and he seems sound. :v:

Remember when all the folks calling out the Antisemitism were up here defending Celtic & Glasgow City Council, Marty?

No, neither do I. :thinking:

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https://twitter.com/stephenfry/status/1166753602658082817?s=21

After the abuse that we as normal celtic and glaswegians still receive to this day wrt anti Catholic sentiment.

At least UEFA are starting to clamp down on the rasict/bigitory towards our club and citizens of both Ireland and Scotland.

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The link doesn’t work for me but If you save a copy of an image you can upload it directly to the post via the little image icon on the bottom right

https://twitter.com/thebirmingham6/status/1099242131774939136

This it?

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Philip Pullman has denied wanting to hang Boris Johnson after being widely criticised for a tweet about the prime minister, PA reports.

The author said in a since-deleted post on Twitter that he thinks of a “rope” and “the nearest lamp-post” when he hears Johnson’s name.

Jack Mendel :cricket_bat_and_ball::newspaper_roll:
(@Mendelpol)
.@PhilipPullman has deleted his tweet which said that “for some reason, the words ‘rope’ and ‘nearest lamp-post’ come to mind” when he hears Boris Johnson. pic.twitter.com/UJGAQG9qrM

August 29, 2019
After the backlash Pullman said he had made a “tactical error” but refused to apologise for his anger at the prime minister’s decision to suspend parliament.

In the original tweet, Pullman said: “When I hear the name ‘Boris Johnson’, for some reason the words ‘rope’ and ‘nearest lamp-post’ come to mind as well.”

Following criticism online, the Northern Lights author blamed recent political events for his post and said he wanted to make it “perfectly clear” that he did not want to kill the prime minister.

Philip Pullman
(@PhilipPullman)
Freedom of speech, like freedom of assembly, is precious. So is life. Just to make it perfectly clear: I wouldn’t kill the prime minister, and I don’t want anyone else to. But I don’t apologise for the anger I feel; only for its intemperate expression.

August 29, 2019

Daniel Hannan, the arch Eurosceptic Tory MEP, is warning of another Windrush scandal after being contacted by EU nationals denied settled status after Brexit.

Daniel Hannan
(@DanielJHannan)
I have had constituency cases of EU nationals being denied settled status despite living here for years. This is a breach of the assurances I and other Leavers gave during the referendum. Please help sort this out @patel4witham before we end up with another Windrush scandal.

August 28, 2019

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