I told my boss that I deserved $100m raise. He did the censorship on me by imposing his personal belief, against my strenuous objection, that I was not worth that much.
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Pretty sure Alex Jones actually believes all of his conspiracy nonsense. By all accounts the man is totally disconnected from reality.
All Neil Young did was the equivalent of saying:
Fuck Joe Rogan as a staff, record label, and as a motherfuckinâ crew! And if you wanna be down with Joe Rogan, then fuck you too! Spotify, fuck you too!
He did so knowing that Spotify would 100% choose Rogan over him. It was a protest against bullshit and trying to shoehorn it into the definition of censorship is just more bullshit.
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Right, but then the follow-up to that is the other side has to acknowledge that we definitely need plenty of âcensorshipâ as it is often a good thing.
The times when censorship are unequivocally bad is the a) when the government does it and b) it is enforced via disproportionate responses like physical assaults, etc.
Right. This was an exercise of free speech by the artists. If anything, they censored themselves.
This is a far more extremist position that a simple consumer boycott and deplatforming. This would upend 1A jurisprudence and be a massive chill on free speech
Those are the two off the top of my head that are unequivocal. Other times I can think of are subjective. For example, choosing what to put on a TV program is censoring all the views you did not put on the program. So then itâs a subjective judgment of whether the censorship is good or bad.
Joe Rogan has promised to do more to make sure his podcast doesnât feature the kind of ridiculous COVID-19 conspiracy theories that caused rock legends Neil Young and Joni Mitchell to pull their songs from Spotify last week. In an Instagram video posted Sunday, hours after Spotify announced plans to fight the spread of pandemic misinformation, Rogan apologized to the streaming service and said heâll do more research before allowing COVID quacks onto his podcast show in the future. The host said heâll âtry harder to get people with differing opinions onâ and âdo my best to make sure Iâve researched these topics.â He then admitted: âOften times I have no idea what Iâm gonna talk about until I sit down and talk to people⌠I am gonna do my best in the future to balance things out.â Rogan apologized to Spotify, but not to listeners, and urged his fans to lay off Neil Young, who removed his music from Spotify in protest against misinformation on Roganâs podcast last week.
That sounds perfectly fine to me. Heâs not out there being an active COVID denier, just being dumb and heâs promised to be less dumb.
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Well he pushed hcq, ivermectin, and spread misinformation about vaccines in both adults and children. I think thatâs plenty bad, even if he doesnât deny the existence of covid.
Ffs when he got Covid he made that big statement about ivermectin and whatever else stupid shit. Thatâs a low bar youâre setting.
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The magic of Joe Rogan is that heâs made being incurious and unprepared into a selling point. Like, wow, heâs a regular Everyman just like me asking questions and stuff.
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I think he can figure out true signal and noise quite well. The audience isnât showing up for a status quo Covid take though. It has to be special, which is why heâs a shitty contrarian
The bolded is absolutely wrong. The reason you canât sue Facebook and Spotify for liable has nothing to do with the first amendment - or else you would similarly not be able to sue traditional media for the same reasons. The first ammendment does not protect defamatory or fraudulent speech. Itâs due to Section 230 so could be repealed and then Facebook would face some liability as traditional media.
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Academic, but idea is media are constantly actively censoring by starting some things that they want to promote, some ideas they consider verboten and a bunch of stuff on a spectrum somewhere in the middle. The high profile examples that you cite are when someone has crossed the drawn lines and the entities are like âNo, that wasnât the deal when we let you into our circle. We thought you were coolâŚâŚ manâ
Thereâs a lot more than 230 protecting media organizations speech
Of course there is - it doesnât make the statement you posted any less wrong.
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I think itâs pretty bad when deplorables picket a store to get the store to not sell legal products. Itâs still not censorship.
Since I have a decent vocabulary, I can use more accurate words like âboycott,â âshunâ and âpicketâ to describe the very actions you want to call censorship.
I donât want to make it illegal for Joe Rogan to peddle his garbage.
I also donât understand the pedantry about the word âcensorship.â It was just a way for Keed to be Keed on this boring Monday.
Yo Jamie pull up that webpage with the message board of the guys talking shit.
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