Jerusalem Clashes 2021

That’s fine and I can relate, but it’s not the way those terms are defined in political philosophy. It includes a lot of judgement based in part on privilege.

A “give people shit and do all the racism” party would dominate American politics.

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A party that mixes nationalist attitudes with socialist attitudes? If they have a cool logo maybe.

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It helps Hamas stay in power. Why aren’t they launching rockets from the West Bank? Not launching rockets helps Fatah stay in power. Why is Bibi responding with more war? It helps Bibi stay in power. Some leaders represent an oppressed and persecuted population and some represent a privileged and protected population, but the leaders do what is best for themselves. That’s got to be more than 99% of the time right.

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Certainly racial or ethnic identification is not left-wing in principle. It is right-wing. The basic principle of the left is egalitarianism and racial/ethnic divisions are not consistent with that. It’s understandable how in an oppressed group even the left holds on to this kind of identification, but it’s a contradiction.

Sure, I’m not arguing against it. I’m arguing against the idea that it’s the only thing that identifies a political stance. That will eliminate the idea that any Palestinian can be left leaning, for example.

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Wasn’t one of the factors in the south switching parties* that it had become less viable to do both? (ie. Once blacks couldn’t be fully excluded from government aid getting rid of the aid was preferable.)

*Edit: a better phrase might be political transformation

How long before Gal Gator leads an all star rendition of Imagine?

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Self-identification of an oppressed group is not necessarily right wing. Often the struggle for self determination masks ideological differences or at least puts them in the background. Ask @marty whether he thinks every Irishman fighting for independence from Britain from the Jacobite risings until today was right-wing.

Iranian revolution started out with a lot of communists too, but it wasn’t really compatible with the Islamist/sectarian identification.

Like I don’t need any history to know this is fucking evil. Zero discussion or context necessary.

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1393906768238022659?s=21

Yeah I simply DGAF.

In before whatabout USA #1.

I could call any Israeli settlement a legit target, since one could argue that the settlers are human shields being used to protect a land grab, so maybe it’s okay if Hamas gives a one-hour warning before launching rockets at any such location.

True but I think the point is that if you wanted a populist mob to beat the rich to death, it would have the characteristics that @Riverman describes. Without the hatred of an ethnofascist ideology the American rich can be relatively comfortable that the controls they’ve baked into the system will stop a Bernie type populist revolt.

Where’s Gamblor? We should invite him over here.

Is Bill Haywood already here? He frequently posted in the ME threads.

Not gonna work kid. You exposed yourself with a full blown fascist post.

Lies not gonna work kid. You exposed yourself with a full blown fascist post.

I’ll donate a million dollars to a charity of your choice if you can prove your claim i did not blame Israel.

This is the routine where after endless trolling and shitposting you ask the community to help you in your get rich scheme only to lash out at everyone after literally just one person made a joke at your hypocrisy?

I wonder what name this type of behavior has.

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It’s coming, you can do better though.

I’m pretty sure i’ve been having a discussion here for quite some time. Victor’s talking points were undeniably fascists. If he is one or not depends on the person he tries to troll i suppose.