Speaking of victim blaming callous fascists like Mets continue to make jews around the world less safe. We see you dude.
Israel will continue taking over and killing Palestinians.
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Gazans are not different than the people in the WB. The unilateral move by Sharon was successful in its effort to weaken the Palestinian resistance by creating two rivaling entities. So if you understand that, how can you view it as an even remote attempt at a peaceful resolution to the conflict?
thats the only way you can have a discussion is to call names
im trying to discuss in good faith. Yuv is making very compelling arguments that make me thinkn about views. you have no interest in thinking about anything criticially so i will stop responding to you.
There were never two states. There was an arbitrary slicing of a map by white people, which was all the rage back then. To the surprise of everyone, it didn’t work out like in every other time it was attempted in history.
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Im conceding that you may be right on that front. As i said i think israel’s goal was for Gaza to be palestine and for them to fully take over the west bank because of Abas weakness.
I think Israel was expecting jordan and other nations to take more palestenian refugees as well
but i am not saying israel’s purpose was noble in this case, i think you have good points about what israel actually wanted here (compared to 5 years earlier especially)
it didnt work out because the Arab nations rejected it and had 25 years of unnecasary wars trying to wipe israel off the map.
it will be hard to get a 2 state solution now but i do not agree that it is impossible
i think the arab world normalizing relations with israel forces the PA to recognize israel’s right to exist. Israel than needs to recognize the palesteninians right to be sovereign. Borders are obviously a sticking point but saying there is no chance at a 2 state solution ever is cynical.
there is no chance for a 2 state solution with Netenyahu’s right wing government in power and Hamas controlling gaza. i will agrree with that
but it looks like netenyahu will be out of power failry soon (maybe). a less right wing government woudl definitely be open to removing some settlements ina solution
but whoever is controling the palesteninian government needs to also recognize israel’s right to exist
its complicated and i have shown im not an expert, and learn new things every day.
thank you for your insightful posts
gazan and people in the west bank are not different people than jordanians. it was all palestine, and Jordan wasnt a country until maybe a year before israel either. many israels consider jordan the palestenian state and dont think the palestenians deseve their won state. at this point that is short sighted, especially with the population of palestenians in the region
This thought process is garbage and I suggest you remove it from your head.
We (i’m Israeli, which i assume you don’t know, so I get to say that) don’t decide for anyone what and who they are.
The colonial occupation of the Middle East has no barring on the collective notion of the people inhabiting it.
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In a situation where bothsidesism might actually be warranted, it’s more important to tear down the side which holds disproportionate power.
What about a three-state solution with separate Gaza and West Bank states?
Genocide is arguably a side effect of Israel’s goal.
Is this performance art / satire?
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"87 new posts! Maybe Israel killed more kids :(
Oh, it’s just Mets making 70 of them"
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What borders do you have in mind?
See, now I heard the exact opposite put forth. That it was Netanyahu who is facing increasing unpopularity and worried about his chances in the upcoming election, and needed a cause to unite Israelis around him, so he struck the first blow this time. How is someone like myself to know who to believe?
Borders would have to be negotiated. Palestinian would consist of Gaza and areas A and B and area C would be divided somewhere. Not 67 borders but Israel gives up full control of a lot of the west Bank
I’m aware area c is over half the west Bank. I don’t know where or how a border gets drawn there
I don’t think anyone is reporting that Netanyahu struck the first blow.
The evictions of 5 families is east Jerusalem was a court ruling not a Netanyahu ruling.
Hamas fired rockets and killed Israeli civilians before Israel retaliated. I’m not here to debate if Israel should have done as much civilian damage as it dead, I conceded they shouldn’t have. But blaming Netanyahu for starting this latest flare-up isn’t fair. And I’m not a Netanyahu fanboy
I do need to learn to quote and mq here sorry
I’d prefer the solution with the lowest number of states, 0 being optimal. If 1 is possible it’s better than 2 because it means fewer real people who have lived in a place their entire lives have to leave their homes because of politicians, police and armies and it means more real freedom for human beings regardless of race, religion or citizenship.
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yeah, i have some grasp on your views which is why i used ‘one of the few’. didn’t want to name names.
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Why? Didn’t Israel already agree to hand over this area to the Palestinians? Keep in mind that even if the Palestinians get all of it, it’s still an 80/20 split in favor of Israel.