Jeffrey Epstein and Associates

Oh it will. Trump already pulled a few racist tweets to get the news off Epstein once. How is he going to change the subject this time?

No You.

Thatā€™s the move heā€™s already made. When that doesnā€™t work (because we are still talking about Epstein and he is guilty by association and the guy died in his custody) he will have to do something even more outrageous.

The president reminds me of a guy martingaling sometimes.

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No he doesnā€™t, he has no need to answer questions, he never has and never will and the MSM needs that sweet access so whoā€™s this hero journalist yā€™all are talking about.
He is already accused in court papers of raping a teenager, over 17 women, has claimed on Tape that sexual assault is for him, court documents of his wife accusing him of rape, not to mention the Camps & ICE Raids the same day he visits a mass shooting of Latinos.

Even if the GOP splits on him, Trump will still be accusing peeps off all kinds of shit, never talking to cameras unless he has them on his side.

Now IF we could lock him down for even 10 minutes with any journalists allowed to ask real questions Iā€™d guess heā€™d slip up easily. But that ainā€™t never happening. Imo.

:joy::joy::joy::joy: Nailed it.

Hasnā€™t he been retweeting stuff implicating the Clintons? Like itā€™s been said before, but if thereā€™s some secretive global cabal at work you know Trumpā€™s not in it because who could trust him to keep his fat mouth shut, lol.

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Russian troll farms? OK now that sounds like a conspiracy.

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I like Clovis and I donā€™t understand why heā€™s doing this.

Attention.

I posted previously re: how unlikely this would be while on suicide watch and under normal circumstances. I still have plenty of questions knowing that he wasnā€™t on watch. He almost certainly should have still been on suicide watch, and absolutely should have been subject to greater supervision.

Iā€™m on team ā€œthis was either criminal negligence or criminal interference,ā€ with the negligence side of things requiring a pretty unusual level of staff dgaf. I think a Russian Tom Cruise dropping from the ceiling is pretty far-fetched, but even Epstein being allowed to complete suicide is just wildly unusual.

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I understand why. He thinks that the mindset that leads to conspiracy theories enabled the Trump presidency, so he wants to combat that. To be clear, there is no evidence that Epstein didnā€™t kill himself. Thatā€™s mainly because we donā€™t have very many facts. We do have a narrative that we want to believe of a corrupt president who was an Epstein client. Clovis objects to speculation that fits the narrative in the absence of supporting facts. This is different from speculation about the Trump-Russia connection, since we have the Mueller report as a foundation for speculation.

I would compare it to speculation about the motives of a mass shooter without knowing anything other than there being a mass shooting. Certainly, yet another Trump-fueled incel raging at the world is within the range of possibilities, but I prefer not to speculate about that until there is some evidence that it might be true, something weightier than simple profiling based on superficial demographic information.

That being said, just because I wouldnā€™t do it, that doesnā€™t mean others shouldnā€™t. As far as Iā€™m concerned, running wild with this builds anti-Trump solidarity. I donā€™t buy into the narrative of liberals being reality-based, so having a left-leaning conspiracy theory without evidence does not cause cognitive dissonance for me. Iā€™m happy if more people think Trump is a murderer and a pedophile, even if I knew for sure that he isnā€™t, because people tend to vote against candidates who they think are murderers and pedophiles. It doesnā€™t bother me if people vote the right way for the wrong reasons. I think that should be encouraged, if the alternative is them voting the wrong way.

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I shouldnā€™t have grunchshoved. Now I feel trolled.

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4/5 times clovis is a decent to fine poster, 1/5 heā€™s completely off the rails. Maybe schedule your pills better? :thinking:

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This is exactly it.

Iā€™m genuinely scared when the normally logic-driven people on a forum like this are in lock step with something like /TD. The speed at which both aligned was what really set me off.

There is a lot of evidence that the growing distrust Americans have with the very idea of government, experts and legal infrastructure is a huge vulnerability for your nations stability. We already know foreign nations like Russia are actively exporting this tendency.

I would simply hope, given how well informed the people itt are, and the fact that we are the side of reason and science that we would have a natural aversion to conspiracy theories. At a minimum, I would hope we would want to see strong evidence before feeding that particular monster given we know itā€™s trying to eat us!

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Prison guards, well known for their second-level thinking. Heā€™s a pedo, pedophiles donā€™t do well in prison.

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We really need the input from DblBrlJ or whatever his name was.

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Ok. I agree with you about Russia (mostly).

You must understand that the reason for the investigation in the first place was because various people had a ā€˜theoryā€™ about a potential ā€˜conspiracyā€™ right?

The problem is that politics is more about emotion than reason. I donā€™t really see the people here as logic-driven. I think they sometimes have the luck of becoming emotionally attached to the side which fits science and reason more.

The Russians did not create a tendency to believe in conspiracy theories. Neither did the Republicans. Arguably, they exploit pre-existing conditions that you canā€™t eradicate and the way to combat this is to crowd their ideas out with conspiracy theories of your own to soak up attention.

Iā€™m fine with exploiting this flaw because Trump delenda est.

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If a pedophile in prison suffers a fate worse than death, whatā€™s wrong with keeping them alive?

Nobody doubts conspiracies are sometimes real. However, that doesnā€™t lend credence to conspiracy theories which are, by definition, implausible explanations for things which have better simpler explanations. They resist falsification because they are not based on evidence but rather gut instinct and feeling.

Russia meddling in the last election was by definition a conspiracy but, also by definition, not a conspiracy theory.

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