ITV: Impeachment Television

[anon10396289]

[hokie]

“What else floats in water?”

“Bread?”
“Apples”
“Very small rocks!”

[econophile]

House Judiciary Committee is going to hold a public hearing on Dec 4 per CNN:

The committee announced that it would hold a hearing on Dec. 4 on the “constitutional grounds for presidential impeachment,” which will have a panel of expert witnesses who will testify “on the application of the constitutional framework of high crimes and misdemeanors to the very serious allegations regarding the conduct of the President," according to a Democratic aide.

[AllTheCheese]

I don’t think this will happen, but if a 51/49 majority in the Senate vote to convict, that would be a huge deal and damaging to Trump politically.

[boredsocial]

I actually think this is close to the most likely outcome. Removal is impossible, but there are enough Republicans who 1) hate him and 2) aren’t up for re-election for a good long time and 3) were the people who wrote the after action report in 2013 who probably still quietly believe that this is a dead end for the party.

Romney, Collins, and then there are a bunch of random maybe’s. Collins can vote to convict or she’ll 100% lose reelection and Romney is independently politically powerful and despises Trump and everything he stands for.

[LikeClockwork]

@boredsocial

Romney, Collins, and then there are a bunch of random maybe’s. Collins can vote to convict or she’ll 100% lose reelection and Romney is independently politically powerful and despises Trump and everything he stands for.

Narrator: all GOP Senators and a few Dems voted to acquit

[boredsocial]

They can do that if they want… but it’s bad for the brand long term. There’s almost zero brand equity left with people under 35 right now.

[dbvm]

Acquitting Trump will make his behavior even worse. Good luck defending your vote when his insanity goes into overdrive.

[Riverman]

I literally can’t even imagine the shit he’s going to pull during the lame duck period if he loses, knowing the office is the only thing standing between him and death in jail.

[boredsocial]

Being malignant isn’t enough to be dangerous. You also have to be competent. Trump got himself into this mess by being massively early on the Biden thing. He created this four alarm dumpster fire to dirty up a candidate that hasn’t even won the primary yet.

As long as we keep him occupied and on defense with the impeachment thing he won’t have the bandwidth to do much else… and his underlings are wildly incompetent grifters. This too shall pass.

[boredsocial]

He’s going to try to stay obviously. It’s also not going to work, obviously. He’s managed to systematically infuriate everyone he’d need to stay in power.

[dbvm]

Yeah my good luch wishes were to the republican senators. They should know that Trump is going to pull a lot of shit if they vote to acquit, and they will have explicitly enabled it. I hope it hurts them really bad electorally.

[anon38180840]

@simplicitus

And a decade ago they were not, and I’d hesitate to call them swing states atm.

They’re closer to toss ups than they are to being California.

@AllTheCheese

I don’t think this will happen, but if a 51/49 majority in the Senate vote to convict, that would be a huge deal and damaging to Trump politically.

I agree, I’ve been on this possibility for weeks… But it’s not seeming particularly likely right now.

@boredsocial

Romney, Collins, and then there are a bunch of random maybe’s. Collins can vote to convict or she’ll 100% lose reelection and Romney is independently politically powerful and despises Trump and everything he stands for.

Collins and Gardner are the most likely in my opinion. Still, those and Romney only gets you to 50-50. I’d take that, but if I had to guess right now I’d say under 50.

@boredsocial

They can do that if they want… but it’s bad for the brand long term. There’s almost zero brand equity left with people under 35 right now.

That’s okay, they’re well on their way to not needing to win free and fair elections anymore.

@Riverman

I literally can’t even imagine the shit he’s going to pull during the lame duck period if he loses, knowing the office is the only thing standing between him and death in jail.

If we manage to win, the lame duck is going to be nuts, but he’s never going to jail. He’s probably more likely to pull off staying in office after losing than he is to spend a day in jail.

[feedthabeast]

Romney doesn’t despise Trump and agrees with almost all of his policies - he just dislikes him personally. He said as much in an Axios interview where he doesn’t like means but likes the ends.

[wirelessgrinder]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1199475455436480512?s=21

Real shocker

Wegothim?

[wheatrich]

Some people are theorizing he’ll resign one day before inauguration just to have pence pardon him.

I guess he probably won’t think of doing that and just trash the place on the way out.

[RegretS]

Cliffs: Pres should be glad he isn’t going to get an actual trial.

Lawyer Examines Impeachment Defenses (Real Law Review)

[RiskyFlush]

@wirelessgrinder

Real shocker

Wegothim?

[Rugby]

Catching up.

A few thoughts.

1. The southern red states would have been more like Latin America or the Caribbean than the north, if had gone their own way in the civil war.

Things have obviously changed since then, but could provide a few clues for what it would look like now.

2. Dictators/fascists die all the time. Sometimes it leads to change, but often you just get the power structures around them cling to power or make it worse.

3. Trump actually declining obviously and cognitively could impact the election. But how? What happens if he refuses to debate?

4. Even if dems win. It’s not clear they will do anything to fix the structural issues.

• voting rights act.
• statehood for PR.
• stack the supreme court.
• reverse citizens United
• green new deal.

You literally need all five. Else we all (non-americans included) are fucked.

[beetlejuice]