ITV: Impeachment Television

Yeah thanks to the ACA everyone has health insurance, we are spending less than ever on it, and no one is dying and going bankrupt from lack of health care!

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https://mobile.twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/1198405625295917056

As the Republicans have consistently shown, polling can be manipulated by messaging. Just because impeachment may be down in some current polls, that doesn’t mean close up shop and ignore the rampant corruption and criminality that has invested the Presidency, it means change the message. Perhaps we don’t disagree on anything. But I think we are all making a mistake to the extent that we are giving in to the narrative that impeachment and investigation are a waste of time. That only helps the people trying to get away with it. The message is easily combined with Dem policy proposals. “The President would rather promote his golf resorts than help Americans struggling to make ends meet.” “Democrats want medicare for all, Trump wants money for himself.” “Democrat’s want to deal with the environment, Trump wants to make deals with dictators.”

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I agree with you. Doing something is good but the messaging needs to be better.

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Seems like the health care industry and insurance companies are doing better than ever at leaat.

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ACA probably doesn’t feel great to it’s beneficiaries because some absurd percentage of their take home pay still goes to premiums and copays and such. You can’t deliver meaningful change that people will appreciate without abolishing private insurance.

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Sorry you didn’t get the joke.

Its early here I guess.

I was fat under Bush, when Obama was elected I ate healthy and lost weight, then trump was elected and I stopped eating healthy and became fat again.

You guys just don’t know what you are talking about!

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When I first read this, I thought you were saying Biden was a dinosaur, and then I realized you meant Democrat in Name Only. Guess it works both ways. :+1:

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Going to have to agree that the reality of the ACA is not awesome. It is better than what we have and much better than any republican alternatives but I doubt it will be a historic touchstone.

What might be some of the undesirable consequences of this strategy?

A real question. Imagine you’re consulting Pelosi or Schiff or whoever and laying out well if you do it this way, here’s the good and the bad. Here’s why you would want to do this, but here’s why you wouldn’t.

I don’t think that’s what Thin_Slicing is discussing. (TS, correct me if I’m wrong)

TS is saying the ACA transformed public consciousness of health care. We will see the ramifications of that for decades to come, and in time, it will be seen as an essential moment in a paradigm shift.

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I’m going to break this down for you, ACA sucks!

  • Poor people can’t afford to buy something they can’t afford, no matter what kind of tax break you are going to give them in 6 months.
  • Making people buy something is actually not constitutional, taxing them and then giving them something for free is.
  • Functionally, very little improved in the insurance system.
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Blaming the Dems for bad strategy misses the mark somewhat, imo. It’s an asymmetrical war. Republicans only believe in two things, really. One, staying in power, and two, handouts for rich people. The Dems have branded themselves as the party of good governance, and that is complex, and prone to attacks from inside and out: infighting, propaganda, etc. Selling a facade of veiled white supremacy is comparatively quite easy, because for some reason people feel that benefit even if they’re still wage slaves to their corporate masters. It’s also really easy to agree on both how to stay in power (lie, cheat) and how to help rich people (straight cash, homie).

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Not all the way tho. Kerry happily arranged to sell those bombs for the Yemen war while Obama was in power and Clinton happily did similar. Iraq War 2 was always a smash and grab but the major players all voted for it anyway.

Pelosi hammering headlines in support of impeachment.

https://twitter.com/TeamPelosi/status/1198357996226666497

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I deleted Burr’s number after he made fun of my dog, but if anyone else ITT talks to him, he might appreciate being subscribed to Impeachment Facts with one new headline a day.

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https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1197856952258306049

Democrats say they have new Mueller-related fodder after Roger Stone’s recent trial raised questions about whether Trump provided false statements to the special counsel’s team. And the hearing could even feature a star witness — former White House counsel Don McGahn. A judge is set to rule in the coming days on whether McGahn must comply with a House subpoena.

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I don’t see any downside to a primetime address that gets a streamlined message out to the American people on impeachment, as long as it’s a well written speech that accomplishes that goal.

The downside to the ads is that the GOP gets to hit you with “SEE? It’s all just political games!” and you spend money 11 months before an election on something that’s extremely unlikely to happen instead of spending it on, say, the Senate race in Maine.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LibsInAmerica/status/1198633803427852288

@RiskyFlush

I’m buzy atm but I found this for you to read… :point_up_2::joy::+1:

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For sure. I appreciate the point.

Do you think there are other undesirable considerations anyone in Congress or the Senate is considering in good faith?

I don’t mean anything you feel you believe you could justify, just an attempt to understand the thought process of a politician who is operating in good faith but making different decisions than you or I would like. What are the human concerns such a person weighs?