Many of you are making the mistake of assuming a “trial” will be fact-based and/or in any way address the conduct that is the subject of the House inquiry.
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Not what I was going after but there’s a lot of pitfall potential here. Sadly, the only upside to impeachment is hoping to piss off enough of the base to vote him out in nov regardless of the candidate.
Dems need to hire Franklin & Bash for the Senate trial.
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This is not relevant to what I said. I said that the point is to get people to perjure themselves, that they were unlikely to win in the Senate but that the Senate cannot realistically stretch this process out for more than a few months. Whether or not the Senate trial has a fair process is irrelevant, much of the damage is already done to the Rs.
Does anyone know if Mitch can control this, too? Does a Senate majority get to decide certain witnesses won’t be called and then pretend they didn’t complain about the same thing in Congress?
What damage has been done to R’s? Pretty much everyone paying attention already knew or didn’t care they are all clowns. I do expect a lot more people to actually watch the senate trial, which let’s face it, I’d like to think facts matter but I doubt it.
Looks like House presents the prosecution then it goes total clusterfuck when R’s call all sorts of irrelevant people to the stand to push other narratives for a month. Six weeks is a ton–they’ll probably have 2x the time dems get. If it’s six, that six weeks of senators running for president severely limited to campaign. They’ll probably end up making a deal there to limit the time spent on this.
I think the most interesting part of the Senate trial will be the interaction of the Republicans and Chief Justice Roberts. I really don’t think the guy wants to be a player in a partisan clown act. But I guess we can’t rule that out either.
I’m presuming Senate is going to be better than the house on that point. They’re smarter and the house kinda test ran a lot of ridic crap that got immediately shot down they won’t bother with when a lot more people are actually watching.
Or they’ll go full clown b/c that’s what Trump likes and he’ll be watching–I guess we’ll see.
edit–marsha’s a clown anyway. I’m talking the ones that at least try to avoid looking like a clown.
Marsha Blackburn is among the most extreme examples of what substantially all GOP congress critters are: mindless, dumb pieces of shit who make fools of themselves literally every time they stray from the talking points memo they get every morning. And most importantly to the cause, absolutely shameless.
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Sondland accused Rudy of breaking the law earlier this week. Rudy is not protected by the law the way Trump is. The count of Trump associates going guilty of criminal offenses goes up by the week. He campaigned on anticorruption, which while not relevant to dedicated GOP voters, Trump did not win the election based on these voters in the most valuable states. He won on a message of anti-establishment and populism. The same corrupt shit and tax cuts for the 1% are exactly the same anti-populism and establishment that people voted against.
A lot of you guys have just given up. Why are you even bothering to pay attention?
Your arguments for years has been “Trump must be impeached!” and now it’s “We can’t impeach because the GOP will hurt the Dems!” I mean, which is it?
Seriously, it’s no wonder Nun left this place.
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I think Dems are making the same mistake they usually do–just relying on facts to pull them through whatever argument they are making.
R’s are spending a lot of money on anti impeachment ads in key house district races that everyone who doesn’t watch CNN/MSNBC are going to see on thanksgiving. I get D’s think it’s a waste of $ this far off an election but we’ve already seen impeachment approval decline in the polls so far while these hearings have been going on.
Clearly dems need more 30 second soundbite stuff you can do ads or facebook posts instead of 20 minute things nobody but libs actually watched (though it was linked to on even fox news website for a day).
R’s somehow always wiggle their way out of this shit is the problem faced at the moment.
So what exactly are the Dems supposed to do? It’s been said numerous times that impeachment is a political process not a criminal process.
Like sure, I’d love to see Schiff and Pelosi go arrest Trump and throw him in prison for crimes. But that is not going to happen in a million years. Whining about how the Dems are handling this is counterproductive. Saying there are no sound bites is silly. You have Sondland saying there was a quid pro quo. That’s a sound bite right there. You have a sitting Senator attacking a war veteran with a purple heart. That’s another sound bite.
The Republicans really aren’t wiggling their way out. Numerous people are in prison or on their way to prison. How many have stepped down or not running in 2020? There was a blue wave in 2018. If the GOP still had the House, we wouldn’t even be talking about this.
This shit takes time. It’s not going to happen in a week or 2. Now if you want to say Trump will never go to jail, fine. I agree with that. But the system is gamed to protect those in power so all we can really do is impeach him. And that’s what Schiff is doing.
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I’m not even assuming there’s going to be a trial until it actually starts.
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Chances of Rudy flipping if he is facing real prison time? We had such a steady chain of flippers that I was kind of surprised so far at Stone not flipping, but then again, maybe he’s singing post-conviction and we just haven’t heard yet.
Barr would have to approve of Rudy getting indicted right? I feel like Barr is gonna shut down anything regarding Rudy. Then again I’m surprised they’re even investigating him, can’t he just shut that down?
IANAL but I believe if its some sort of state charge then whatever state attorney general would be able to prosecute it.
I’m reading between the lines a little bit, but I believe Sondland lied on Wednesday because he believed he would have potentially faced jail time if he knew that Burisma = Biden (why he claimed that the convo between he and Trump only mentioned Burisma and later he learned that meant Biden). He figured if he didn’t finger Rudy directly then he would be taking a charge for Rudy and is like f that I’m out. Basically he gave the Ds the minimum he could to not face charges directly himself.
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IDK. Aren’t we seeing the limits of what Barr can/will do now? Maryland AG just said Trump violated emoluments clause. A recent investigation determined to find the FBI began an illegal investigation into Trump instead found that it was sloppy but lawful. Upcoming decision on Trump’s taxes, then we’ll find out about McGhan. So far, looking like both will rule against Trump.
Like, at some point, Barr will be in a position where he has to say yeah, he did it, and I’m not going to prosecute. And then for sure wegothim, right? Right? Right…?
Seems if they subpoenaed him (they have plenty of evidence that he broke the law and have the right investigate this), they could theoretically have him arrested for contempt if he failed to appear.
The thing about this is that it is very unlikely the statue of limitations would expire by 2021 for the crimes he would inevitably have to admit, so even if he is just guilty of a federal crime if Trump loses the WH in 2020 then even Barr obstructing is really no guarantee of safety from prosecution.
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